If You Film It, They Will Watch: Behind the Scenes of Our GIFF Film

A tiny town with no stoplight. A maker who keeps a notebook by his bed. And a film that asks a simple question: if you hide it, will they come? We pull back the curtain on our Geocaching International Film Festival finalist and the real story that inspired it—how Chad (aka Tricassius) turns dreams into intricate gadget caches that draw people from around the world to Gilby, North Dakota.

We walk through the entire creative journey, from the Field of Dreams spark to the choice to keep dialogue sparse and the emotions loud. You’ll hear how we staged early-morning “wake-up” shots, filmed build montages without spoiling secrets, and used shelter belts as our stand-in for the iconic cornfield. Then we dig into the edit: rotoscoping dozens of “ghost cachers,” layering subtle sound design, and crafting a score that rises from crickets to a full-on swell as the town fills with arrivals. There’s even a behind-the-scenes confession about an alternate HQ cameo we loved but cut to keep the focus on Gilby.

It wasn’t all smooth—our theater premiere nearly fell apart when the DCP failed, and a single HDMI cable saved the day. Along the way, we celebrate the broader GIF reel, call out standout entries, and share why we chose heart over easy laughs. If you love geocaching road trips, gadget caches, and small towns with big stories, this one hits all the search-worthy notes: geocaching film festival, Gilby North Dakota, travel hidden gems, and the craft behind cinematic cache hunts.

Subscribe to the show, share this episode with a cacher who needs a new destination, and leave a review to help more travelers find their way to the “Disneyland of geocaching.” What moment gave you chills—Chad’s trembling pen, the first ghost, or the final cars rolling into Gilby?

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome & Why Gilby Matters
• 2:45 Upgrades, Delays, And Chicken Math
• 5:20 GIFF Week Energy And Global Reach
• 8:10 The Field Of Dreams Spark
• 12:00 Chad’s Process: Dream, Build, Amaze
• 16:20 Casting Gilby And Filming The Ghosts
• 20:05 Montages, Sound Design, And Subtle Clues
• 24:00 Rotoscoping And The Edit Marathon
• 27:10 Alternate Ending And HQ Cameo Dilemma
• 30:40 Theater Tech Scare And Premiere Relief
• 33:20 The Reel: Favorites, Standouts, Predictions
• 37:10 Credit Names, Recognition, And Gratitude
• 40:20 Patrons, BTS Plans, And How To Reach Us
• 42:50 Closing Thanks And Sign Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:02

Are you not ready, Josh?

SPEAKER_04: 0:04

I'm not quite ready. I'm still eating my chip.

SPEAKER_03: 0:06

Well, when you're ready, we're ready to start.

SPEAKER_04: 0:09

Okay.

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And three. Two.

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Do you love to travel?

SPEAKER_02: 0:24

Do you love road trips?

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Do you love finding hidden treasures in towns all over the USA? Hi, I'm Joshua.

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And I'm Craig. Welcome to Treasures of Antanna, the podcast that explores unique and charming towns scattered throughout the United States.

SPEAKER_04: 0:35

Guided by our love for location-based games like geocaching. Join us as we venture to some of the country's most intriguing destinations, uncovering hidden gems and local secrets along the way.

SPEAKER_02: 0:45

On today's episode, Josh, this is a bit nostalgic because we're going to go back. We're going to go back to Gilby, Josh.

SPEAKER_03: 0:52

Our minds are going to go back to the Disneyland of geocaching.

SPEAKER_04: 0:56

Yeah. This is like the third time we've talked about Grand Forks slash Gilby, but we're going with a little bit different angle. And you know what? This is a little bit different show because we're not really going to talk about a place, like the focus on a place. We're talking about a special, special thing. Something, Craig, that you and I have in common. Something that you and I worked very hard on, you mostly, I'll just be honest. Um, but it was in my head. So um, and that is we are going to talk about the making of our finalist. I'm gonna even say award-winning because award winning? Yeah, we've had we've had at least two gift events tell us that we were the winners out of 600.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41

Two at least two of 2000 events that happened worldwide.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45

And and those might have happened, those might have happened in North Dakota, maybe because they know the caches themselves, exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53

Yeah, and they saw themselves in the movie.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56

And you know what? They're proud of their town, they're proud of their state. That's why they probably voted it as number one. And that's a rare thing these days when people are proud of their town. You you got it in early again. I know it was just hanging there like ripe fruit to be picked, and I had to pick it.

SPEAKER_03: 2:14

Wow, wow. Anyway, Josh, upgrades and delays before we get into our uh GIF filming. What uh what has been your upgrades or delays, mate?

SPEAKER_04: 2:23

Which would you like to start? I want you to start first because mine is just gonna segue real nicely into the topic.

SPEAKER_03: 2:31

Okay, yeah. Well, mine isn't because mine. I'm gonna I'm gonna say my delay first, Josh. My delay is that I I had a bad medical episode uh yesterday, last night. Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 2:43

Again?

SPEAKER_03: 2:44

I haven't had no, I haven't had this one in a while. Not not lost, I didn't lose a toe.

SPEAKER_04: 2:48

Um the last time we were on here, you got stung by a bunch of bees.

SPEAKER_03: 2:51

That's true, that's true. It wasn't no, they were yellow jackets, they weren't bees, they were yellow jackets. Yeah, okay. Um same same location in Alabama as well, but it wasn't yellow jackets, it wasn't anything else. It was my own mistake because I didn't I did some some hard, hard labor, work, intensive work all day long, didn't have enough water, didn't have enough electrolytes, and so I suffered from really extreme cramping um in both my legs, both my uh thighs of my legs, and I basically laid in pain on my stomach on the hard floor for at least 15 to 20 minutes. Oh wow, in absolute agony.

SPEAKER_04: 3:27

So yeah, and this is segueing into your upgrade because chicken coop chicken coop work is hard work. That's what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03: 3:36

I was building a brand new chicken coop. Uh, yes, yes, I'm a chicken dad. Uh, I'm also a duck dad too, because I got we got uh six chickens and uh and two ducks. Um and yes, uh for everyone out there, I do understand chicken math. I I get it, and it's a thing. And what is it?

SPEAKER_04: 3:54

I don't I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_03: 3:55

You've never heard of chicken math. Uh-uh. Well, chicken math's uh a point where you know you get you get chickens, um, you raise the chicks from from little babies into pullets into chickens and you build the chicken coop and then they're in the chicken coop and then you really enjoy them. They give them fresh, delicious eggs, and they're fun to watch, and they then you feed them some more. So you go past tractor supply once again and think, oh, you know what, I need another few, because there's only six, so I might as well round it up to ten, you see. And then when you round it up to ten, you go, Well, that's just ten, that's just an easy round number, but I don't like round numbers. Let's get it up to a dozen, so you go to twelve. So chicken math is the constantly growing of your oh, lots and more chickens. More and more chickens will grow in your flock. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 4:33

I a question are the chickens in the coop already? Are they in there?

SPEAKER_03: 4:38

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 4:39

Not the uh because the coop's not actually fully built yet. It's taken a few days. I will say. Oh gosh, that's yeah, it's it's a big, it's a big job, Josh. It is a big job.

SPEAKER_04: 4:48

I have respect for you because I don't think I would know where to start to build a chicken coop. That was not something I'm good at.

SPEAKER_03: 4:56

This is like the coupe de ville of chicken coops.

SPEAKER_04: 5:00

I know it's very nice.

SPEAKER_03: 5:02

So anyway, anyway, yeah, I got the plans online and ordered all the materials from Lowe's, uh not sponsored, but you know, unfortunately. So yeah, that's what I've been doing. So uh let us know if uh in the if you know chicken math and if you've got any chickens raising yourself in the in the uh in the I was gonna say the comments or the description or whatever. But anyway, we don't have that here. Anyway, Josh, what has been your delay or upgrade we are getting to you now?

SPEAKER_04: 5:26

Well, these last 10 days have been so much fun, Craig. Oh, yeah because these last 10 days have been all about the Geocaching International Film Festival worldwide, over 600, Craig, 600 events worldwide. You know, in our gift film, I have a track, we have a trackable in there. Yes, and all day, every day, even I just in the last two minutes. I can't believe I've never had a trackable get more discoveries than having a trackable in the geocaching film festival. We're talking thousands, thousands. So, you know, I figure I don't know, they're gonna probably share the final count, but I did the math. 600 let's say 600 events. Let's say if the average event had 30 people, that's 18,000 people.

unknown: 6:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_04: 6:21

That feels that feels a uh uh basketball, like an NBA basketball stadium, stadium, yeah, of geocaches.

SPEAKER_03: 6:28

All with their uh all with their GPS devices hanging off the hips and you know their hats on and they're wanting to get out and about, but no, they're watching a film indoors.

SPEAKER_04: 6:36

Yes, so yeah, so that's just pretty exciting. And you know, we've gotten now that it's out, now that it's actually on YouTube, I've posted the R video on our channel, and we'll talk a little bit about that later. Um, we're getting just all kinds of lovely, kind comments from the geocachers on how they've they've enjoyed it, and so we'll talk a little bit about that. And so that's my upgrade. It was the whole week was fun. My delay involved my I hosted a gift event, which was also amazing and awesome. Yeah, but there was some stressful moments, and we'll that was my delay, and we'll talk about that I think later in the episode, but we have to go to the very beginning before we start, Josh.

SPEAKER_01: 7:18

Oh, it's a very good place to start. How many, how many, uh, how many events did you attend? How many gift events did you attend?

SPEAKER_04: 7:24

I wanted to attend so many more, yeah. But I I attended two. I attended mine, mine, and then another one that was local here. Um, I thought about you know, I put them on the on my calendar. I was like, Well, should I drive two hours? You know, should I drive four hours and make an appearance and and lobby for our film? Like, you know, I I fill figure, you know, if we show up, then maybe more people will vote for our film.

SPEAKER_01: 7:49

But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 7:50

But but we'll talk about that. I don't think we're gonna win. I I am almost confident, almost confident we're gonna win. We'll talk a little bit why. All I can say is I am a proud of what we put out there.

SPEAKER_03: 8:01

I was gonna say, let's be honest as well. I'll get that from the start, is that uh this is my fifth finalist, my sixth, my sixth actual gift entry and my fifth finalist. Uh I worked at it exactly. And uh of that, Josh, I have never won. And I don't really, I'll be honest with you, it doesn't worry if I do or don't win. It doesn't worry me if I do or don't get in a finalist or whatever. I'm just proud and happy that uh people out there enjoy what we put out. Um that's that's my thing. You know, you you do it for the for the enjoyment and for the love of filmmaking as well, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_04: 8:30

So that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_03: 8:33

That's what I concentrate on, that's what I solely concentrate on. I think winning or losing, I've never won, so I don't know what that feels like.

SPEAKER_04: 8:38

But anyway, you I've been a finalist, I've been a finalist twice, and I won the first ones. And the what if I win? What if we win? What if we do win? Then I'm two for two.

SPEAKER_00: 8:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_04: 8:52

I'm not gonna win. We're not gonna win. And I'll tell you why we're gonna not gonna win because um we, you know, we I you know, we didn't I could I think we could have went for we could have gone for more laughs. Yeah, we could have gone for more laughs, yeah. But we purposely didn't because I wanted we'll talk about it. I wanted to create something that I wanted to make. Like I it it didn't, I we'll talk about the reason of why, but I think we need to get into it a little bit.

SPEAKER_03: 9:19

Well let's let's let's make go from the start, Josh. Where did this uh you you actually sprung this idea on on me or one of our many trips that we had um throughout the the last couple of years, and you said to me, if I was ever to do a like like like in the hot tub, Josh, when you said if I was ever to do a podcast, you said to me if I was ever to do a uh another GIF event entry, this is what it was gonna be. And uh you're talking about the field of dreams concept. Talk us a bit through that.

SPEAKER_04: 9:45

Yes, so I love the movie Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner, 1989, maybe? I'll have to I have to fact check that. And I love the movie. I also love that here. This is a travel podcast. I love it as a destination, the actual movie site, which is in Davenport, Iowa, which I visited a couple times.

SPEAKER_03: 10:06

And it was on our March Madness as well.

SPEAKER_04: 10:09

And it won.

SPEAKER_03: 10:10

I know. There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 10:11

See it was, I mean, Craig, it kind of was meant to be. Um, you know what I mean? Like it was push hard for it as well.

SPEAKER_03: 10:19

Yeah, I did. I did. And you did say you did say if you listen back to the March March Madness one, and if you haven't listened to it, I suggest you do. Go back and listen to it, and you hear Josh how much he pushes for it, and you even give away a little tidbit saying, you know, it's it's special to me for various reasons, one of which is coming up later throughout the year. That's what you said.

SPEAKER_04: 10:35

Oh I didn't realize I forgot that I forgot that I said that. Interesting. Yeah, so so I've been there before. The very first time I visited there, I visited there with my grandma, and that was 11 years ago. And I was making geocaching videos at the time, 11 years ago, and I was like, I I want to make a I want to make a geocaching video at the field of dreams. And I was like, Oh my gosh, what what if I like do a like a thing like if you hide it, they will come. And so I and it's on my YouTube channel. Um if you go to YouTube and search geocaching field of dreams, two videos will pop up first. It'll be my gif, our gif, and then it'll be this one will be the second one.

SPEAKER_05: 11:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 11:18

And and so I had my um I did the whole whisper thing in the corn, and I had my grandma walk. My grandma was the ghost.

SPEAKER_00: 11:27

I saw it.

SPEAKER_04: 11:29

And she came out with a geocache, she hit it. I think no, she found she came out with a GPS. Yes, she came out with a GPS, she found the cache, yeah. She she waved and then she walked back out back out in the corn.

SPEAKER_03: 11:41

You had little you had little at the time, you had little Reese bunny in it.

SPEAKER_04: 11:44

Yeah, Reese was in it.

SPEAKER_03: 11:45

Reese was in it too. You know, I remember Reese, I think Reese was the one that placed the cache there, and then it was your grandmother that came out of the corner. And let's be honest, Josh, this is what we always say about your videos as well. And that is, can you imagine like you know, down the track years got years come by, and whereby you know, your Reese has got that memory there because on your video, you know what I mean? Like your kids have their memories because of your YouTube channel, because of your videos. They can they don't have to memori like memorize everything because they can just go back and watch it, and that sparks their memories for other things that happen during the day.

SPEAKER_04: 12:16

And it's also really special, special too, because my grandma, she's still alive, by the way. So this was 11 year years ago. She's 95, she's still kicking. Wow, she's 95, and so I want I kind of want to show this clip of her, like at her at her funeral, walking into the corn.

SPEAKER_02: 12:33

Yes, wouldn't that be cool? That would be cool. That would be really cool.

SPEAKER_04: 12:37

I think she might. I'll have to talk to her about that. I was like, grandma, do you think are you okay with showing you walk into the corn at your funeral? She'll probably be like, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03: 12:45

Like uh I know I know myself, Josh. I had a very special relationship with my grandmother as well. And uh, and when she passed, um, I was the one that did the full eulogy um of the whole her whole funeral. And even even my uncle at the time, I said to my uncle, do you have her little black book, for instance? He's like, No, where's that? And it was under her bed, and I got it. He said, I never knew that existed, and it had all her wishes in her black book. You see, she'd already made them already done, and I already knew what they were, so it just made sense. So, yeah, you doing the same thing for your grandmother, Josh. That's that's so nice, you know, so sweet.

SPEAKER_04: 13:18

So technically, I already kind of made a geocaching video about the field of dreams at the field of dreams. However, as you know, I've I have visited, you visited there once too, um, obviously, for this film. Um I visited Gilby several times. And Gilby, Tricassius, Chad, um is he's a he's essentially a farmer. He lives on a farm, he's not really a farmer. He lives on a farm. He's he's the king of like the amazing gadget caches. We all know this. We've talked about it before. And I asked him the question, I was like, Chad. And here's the thing about Chad's gadget caches a lot of times when you see somebody's caches, you look at different like the different ones that they make, and they're often similar.

SPEAKER_03: 14:02

Like they have kind of a similar vibe theme, vibe, style.

SPEAKER_04: 14:05

Yeah, yeah. But the thing about Chad's, if you've ever gone, is that Chads are very different. Yeah, like you would think they come from different minds.

SPEAKER_03: 14:14

Absolutely. I mean, one one, for instance, is all it is all physical, one's you know, where you're punching down something, another one is whereby you're using your brain and your mind and doing some scrabble words, for instance, as well. So you he you he uses all parts of one's uh finding abilities, basically. So yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_04: 14:31

So so I asked Chad, Chad, how do you come up with these ideas for these amazing geocaches? And what did he say? He says, I dream them, yeah. And I have I have a pad next to my bed. So when I wake up after I dream them, I write down the ideas uh of of the thing. And I was like, You dream them, you dream. And then I was like, I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. He dreams them, he's built this thing, and all these this little town of nothing. There's a small, like small baby town, it's this. And all of a sudden, yeah, all of a sudden he's built this thing, and who in this is a real life story. Who came? Like, we're talking people from all of the world came called come to Gilby to do his caches. That's right. Of caches that he dreams up. It's like spiritual, like it's divine. His his geocaches are are divine.

SPEAKER_03: 15:23

They really are they really are. He's he's been by dreaming of something like that, too. It's very spiritual to dream of something and then to actually put it into place, you know. So it's very likely it has he has a forethought about it, you know what I mean? That sort of thing. So that's really cool.

SPEAKER_04: 15:36

So when people watch, that's why in the film, right at the beginning, we said based on a true story, which is kind of a joke, kind of funny, but it is true. And I think I think people that watched our film, okay, a couple things. If they haven't seen the field of dreams, they might be they might have some questions. Yeah, and number two, if they haven't been to Gilby, they don't realize that Chad dreams, like you know what I mean. But if they knew all those things, Craig, yeah, if they knew like what we have done and how we took kind of this fantastical, like uh mystery, mysterious, mysterious uh concept of the video, right? Yeah, if they understood how how close it was to actual real life, yeah, yeah, I think people would be like, oh my gosh, okay, I get it. That's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03: 16:22

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_04: 16:22

So people that know, they know. Yeah, that's why that's why I've been the really positive comments I've been getting are people that get both of those things. They understand how amazing Gilby is, and they know Feel the Dreams, they're like, that's brilliant. That's right. And I'm like, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 16:39

I mean, and and let's be honest, Josh, you will have had to have seen the movie. Oh, we've had people reach out to us, uh, and one was just today, um, from Japan of all places of the world. And they they they said uh like it was a good video, they liked the video, but they didn't know what the people with the white fluffy stuff around them was. And I'm like, they're ghosts, and so they've never seen the movie, they don't understand it. So then we we tried our best. We did try our best, Josh, to actually try and replicate this without without spelling it out, you know, without saying, you know, ooh, I'm a ghost and I'm coming out of the thing.

SPEAKER_04: 17:12

Well, even yeah, even in Field of Dreams, they don't spell it out. That's part of the mystery, that's the mysterious nature of it. And that's actually what makes it good. Because the whole time you're thinking, where are these baseball players coming from? Are the are they go? You don't even know in the movie, are they ghosts until the end? Spoiler alert, there you've kind of figured it out at the end. But I I wanted to keep a sense of like mystery. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to make it obvious. I I that's part of the art, right? Is like you don't spell things, don't spell things out completely. Let allow people's minds to put it together and interpret it theirselves. Exactly. You could interpret it a completely different way, and that's and I think that's what that's part of what good art is.

SPEAKER_03: 17:54

Yeah, exactly the same as uh as the the the movie Um You know, I see dead people. What's that? The sixth sense, the sixth sense, and like you the you go the entire movie not realizing that he's spoiler again, he's a ghost. Um everyone knows that by now, but you go the entire movie without realizing, and then when it hits you, and the fact that you go oh you have that oh moment and you make that that that assignment, and then it feels good that you actually work something out for yourself without having to spell things out. So um I think that's what we we we tried to do, which we attempted to do that with with this film. I again one of the uh I'm gonna say a downside to the film is the fact that it can only be up to four minutes in. Um and to tell an entire story like we did in the space of less than four minutes, it's it's hard work.

SPEAKER_04: 18:43

Yeah, with with very little dialogue. Yes. I was really I was really committed to very little dialogue because that was kind of the one of the things I was it dialogue and sound is a real challenge. And the less you have, the easier I think it can be.

SPEAKER_03: 18:56

Exactly. And just just for your information, uh for your ideas as well. When we're talking about it and you had this idea of, you know, if you hide it, they will come, that sort of style. Um, you straight away said to me, you know, where we could do this film, Craig? I said, Where? You said Gilby, because you knew that's what happened with Chad is if you hide, they will come. That's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_04: 19:15

And it's a rural, it's rural area, small town. Yeah, perfect. I think one thing we could have done now that I think about you, and you mentioned in before the podcast, we one thing we could have done if we had more time, and this might have been funny, is to have Chad like happy seeing all these cachers, and then his wife walks up and she can't see them.

SPEAKER_03: 19:36

Oh, like who are you smiling at?

SPEAKER_04: 19:38

Yeah, like like what are you looking at? I'm like, they are all here. Who's here? The geocach. Yeah, that could have been that could have been really good. But we would have needed another minute, probably.

SPEAKER_03: 19:50

Yeah, yeah, exactly. See, and that's that's the the hardest thing that I found as uh editing. Uh and and let's be honest. Well, if you're listening to this and you haven't watched the video, make sure you pause. Go watch the video, come back. Yes, please. Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 20:03

You should have watched. We should put that in the title. Don't watch, don't listen to this until you've seen the video.

SPEAKER_03: 20:08

Yeah, exactly. But uh, but you'll you'll see that you know, we tried to tell the story of what happened. So Chad basically, you know, dreaming first, waking up, getting the notepad. We we re literally re-re redirected all that, what he actually does in real life. Um, you know, walking out and into his garage where he creates these brilliant caches as well. And and it was always my dream to do that little um build sequence sort of style because it's you were I was you were very stoked about that.

SPEAKER_04: 20:37

I even had to say it was even uh this is a little behind the scenes, it was even a little bit longer. I was like, ah, I think we gotta shorten it. I know you love this section, but I just I we gotta cut it on.

SPEAKER_03: 20:49

I'm one of those and I've done it, I've done it as well with uh with our friends, Cashcraft um from uh Cashcraft Nj.com. And um I've done a video for for him as well where literally I I followed and did a uh montage of him creating a picture frame with path tags around it, and I gave that to them as well, and it looks great. And I love filming that sort of style where I can actually come in and come out slow motion, for instance, fast and different angles and different things, showing things in different paths and having it to music and stuff too. That that's that there is I would say my forte. Um that's what I love. That's what I actually enjoy doing it.

SPEAKER_04: 21:29

Um those montages, especially in that scene when you did the the sawdust at the end, yeah, because it I gave that more like, oh, you're about to see something magical. It was like a little foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_03: 21:40

Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. So that happened, and then obviously you've got to show the fact that he's he's he's in his car now, he's outside, like that was a split-second show. Um, you can't just cut from him being inside to him being outside, you know, you have to show the some direction as such, and then and then it was your idea in in regards to um him having to wait those days and days and days after he created that cash. And that was your idea. You come up with that idea, Josh. And you said as well, it would be good to actually have it so it's like a ghostly cut, like a smooth transition cut each time he does this. And uh just for everyone out there, on the day itself, we did film Chad stuff in one day. Um, on the day itself, he was there. We he was had the stool there, he had five changes of clothes in his bag with him as well, including hats and stuff as well.

SPEAKER_04: 22:28

All his Gilby stuff too, because we couldn't do any brand names. So it was like the Gilby fire, the Gilby Fire Department, the Gilby, the Gilby list, the Gilby Live.

SPEAKER_03: 22:37

We we couldn't do you know Puma or Adidas or any of those rebox or any of that sort of stuff. We had to do uh literally no brands, and so yeah, he had that all in him, and we had the camera on a tripod. And this is how you basically do it from there is that the camera's on a tripod, nothing moves except for him. And if you try and position him uh during the edit at the same position each time from this from the end of one position and to the start of the next sequence, having him in the similar position, you can actually get that that phasing change. That's how that works. Yes, um, so that's how that's how that one works, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 23:10

And well, and speak to back up a little bit, speaking of Chad, here's another thing that people, if they don't know Gilbin, they don't know Chad, they could have thought that that was just an actor. Like, yeah, no, it was very important that we have Tricassius himself. Yeah, no act, he's he's not an actor, no, but he was a very but he was a he was a great at playing, he was great at playing himself.

SPEAKER_03: 23:30

He was, he was. Well before we go on, how about we talk a bit a little bit more about Chad himself as a uh as the into the into the geocaching world? Like his name is Tricassius in the geocaching world as well. What I love um about uh this little town, if you don't know where Gilby is, literally it's one stretch of road that is is a couple of hundred foot in length. That's all it is. It's got like a fire station.

SPEAKER_04: 23:52

There's not even a stoplight.

SPEAKER_03: 23:53

There's no there's not even a stop sign. Like there's nothing. There's nothing. There's a park there as well. Um, there's no gas station there at all. Uh there's a corner store that's open every now and then. But there's a bar. There's and there's a yeah, there's a bar.

SPEAKER_04: 24:08

Of course, there's a fire. There's a post office.

SPEAKER_03: 24:10

Yep, that's what makes it uh and a fire, you know, and that's it.

SPEAKER_04: 24:13

And oh, and a hardware store's a hardware store.

SPEAKER_03: 24:15

Hardware store. But on the side of the firehouse is the big Gilby um uh mural as well. And down in the bottom corner, you'll see Tricache is his name, Tricacius, and the geocache and logo and his logo, Tricassius' logo, painted on the bottom. He is uh a loved member of that town, like a beloved member of town, very much.

SPEAKER_04: 24:35

There's a very there's a big reason why he's loved because he he and his wife, the other half, that's that's her geocache name. Uh, they are salt of the earth, they are the kindest, nicest, best people um you would ever meet. You you go up to Gilby, you're guaranteed, you're probably going to see see him, you're and you're gonna meet him, and he's gonna come out and he's gonna talk to you, and it's it's gonna be a really, really cool. We could have had an actor. So people don't know if they don't know Tricassius, they don't know that that we actually use Tricassius. It's not a it wasn't an actor, it was him.

SPEAKER_03: 25:09

He was a real a real geocacher. And he yeah, he doesn't he's he's a geocacher, he's a carpenter by trade as well. Like he does carpentry skills too and uh and volunteer fire. So that's uh that's what he does. That's he's uh he's he doesn't act at all. So and he even said too, he's like, you know, I how am I gonna do this? Is I'm not gonna act. And one thing I love to do, Josh, as a uh a filmmaker and videographer, cinematographer, is I love to put people that's in front of the camera, put them at ease, put their mind at ease. I always I always pump them up. Um, you know, even when, you know, and and hopefully Chad doesn't listen to this too too carefully, but even when the actor does something wrong, I'll blame myself. I'll go, oh, we've got to do that one again. It's my fault, you're out of focus. You know, I mean, I'll make something up so they don't feel bad. So they can keep their okay and they can keep their pump going as well, keep their uh their attitude going too, which is really cool.

SPEAKER_04: 25:57

Yeah, you're gonna get this, you're gonna get to see some behind the scenes of us filming it too. So you'll get to see that because the cool thing about it is because we we add you Craig, you added a lot of sound effects, which means that we could we could, while you were filming, we could talk to Chad and we could like, okay, look to the right, look to the left, no, look surprised. Like, yeah, so it was really fun. It was really fun to like, you know, try to get the different emotions and reactions out of Chad. Um, just you know, and we we we got obviously we got more footage than we even needed to use, but because we wanted to get all kinds of reactions, but it was so fun. Fun to be in actually, I think it was his parents' house. Yeah, it was his parents' house shooting shooting that first scene of him waking up, waking up. Uh, that was just oh you're I I have some behind the scenes footage of that. I think I think people are really gonna enjoy that. And that's gonna by the time you people hear this podcast, it will be on my YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_03: 26:48

You'll get to see a little bit of the behind-the-scenes making making of of uh of the film, and maybe maybe some others for the for the for our patrons too, that might be a nice little present for the patrons, golden nugget of BTS.

SPEAKER_04: 27:01

Yes, we've already shared some photos with the patrons, so they they get a they have a little bit of that. Um, another thing about the casting, so it wasn't just Chad, but we had to have ghost, ghost cachers. Yeah, and oh my gosh, uh speaking of salt of the earth, oh we had we had an event. Actually, Chad hosted an event. Thank you, Chad. And he could he made burgers for people. I mean, oh come on.

SPEAKER_03: 27:26

They had drinks there, they had chips, and they had they made it a full-on event.

SPEAKER_04: 27:30

Yes, so we did this event, we had burgers, and then I was like, okay, everybody. And it was kind of fun because we kept it very secret about what we were doing. We told people that we were gonna make a gift, and but it was fun to be able to let the cat out of the bag for them, yeah, and say, Okay, here's the idea. So they showed up not even knowing the concept. No, they're just like, I was like, we need people.

SPEAKER_03: 27:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_04: 27:51

And wear, don't wear name brands and shut up.

SPEAKER_03: 27:53

Don't wear brands. That's it, that's all it is. That's the only thing.

SPEAKER_04: 27:56

And we explained the concept to them. And I think when we explained, I think they were like, I think I feel like got people got even more excited about it.

SPEAKER_03: 28:02

They did, they did, and they got I think they got more excited too because they all love Chad and they love his caches and what he does. And so they saw that we're actually highlighting this one guy who literally is, as I said, the we said like the Walt Disney of geocaching, the way what he creates, and so um they felt like they they they wanted to be a part of that as well because they weren't they felt like they they wanted to give back to Chad too, which is really cool. Um, and we we if at first, and again, this is part of all part of filmmaking, nothing you saw was ever filmed in order, everything was filmed out of order in different ways, you know. There's nothing actually is in order at all. Um and that's due to time constraints and people's time constraints as well. So, for instance, uh the very the finale uh video part where you see all the cars coming in to Gilby, that was filmed directly after we we had the event there in the middle of town, before any caches were found. So we we did the the last part first.

SPEAKER_04: 29:01

Yes, yeah. So we filmed that that first, and then we filmed people go, we we said, okay, divide and conquer. We're like kind of like go to your there was a certain road that had like eight or nine caches on it, and we're like, go everybody disperse, go to a cache, and we'll we'll catch we'll catch up to you and because we want to get some footage of people finding his caches. And I'll just say this when you watch the video, Craig, you did such a great job showing how magical their geocaches change caches were without really spoiling anything. No, they're not spoiled, and people could be like, wow, it was like wow, it was like literally, literally milliseconds, like half of a second. It's like wow, wow, another one, boom, boom, open kids giggling, doors opening, things flying, people's heads outside of windows. Like that that again, that's your skill, like you're that's another montage. You're so good at montages.

SPEAKER_01: 29:50

Thank you, Mike, thank you.

SPEAKER_04: 29:51

And so, so um, that was the second thing we filmed with the people, and then the third thing we filmed was it was a little tricky. So, here's the whole thing I you know, people. Are like some people are like, too bad. My mom watched it. She was like, Too bad there was no corn. And I'm like, Mom, you don't understand.

SPEAKER_01: 30:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 30:06

The caches are hidden in these things. It's called shelter belts. So if you're listening, a shelter belt is a designated row, a forest little forest of trees that goes between the fields to prevent erosion. And so most of Chad's caches are hidden in the shelter belts. So I thought right away, I don't need corn. We're gonna have people walk out of the shelter belts.

SPEAKER_01: 30:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 30:26

And that's what we did. Um, although we fudged a little bit because here's a little behind the scenes. It wasn't technically a shelter belt, it was just like a little woods behind Chad's house.

SPEAKER_03: 30:37

Yes, exactly. Exactly. But it looked the similar, you know, it looked the same. And it's as as we always say uh as well, and that is that it doesn't matter what you it doesn't matter what you know, it's what you can prove in court. And the same thing happens with uh it doesn't matter what goes behind the camera, it's what in front is what's in front that counts.

SPEAKER_04: 30:53

So yeah, so it was so everybody was so excited and so kind. And I'm just gonna say this now now for the record because we didn't really get to hit have a chance to say this to the whole group. I want everybody to know we had we had four minutes. Yeah, we had to move things along quickly. We couldn't get there, unfortunately, we couldn't get every single person that showed up in the film. Yeah, and I just want to give a special shout out to my friend. He's he's just another salt of the earth person, gave me a little bit of a hard time, and actually he was giving a little bit of you a hard time because he knew that you edited. Our friend's our friend Genice. I knew he came all the way down from the Grand Forks area to Minneapolis to watch the film, and he was watching it for the full first time. And he he's like, I'm not, he's like, I wasn't in it.

SPEAKER_03: 31:40

Uh yeah, yeah. I don't although he might have been no, he was, I think he was in it, but he was driving a car, so you wouldn't see him, you'd only see the car he was driving.

SPEAKER_04: 31:49

Okay, yeah, so maybe.

SPEAKER_03: 31:50

Yeah, yeah. So you'd only see the roof, the roof of the car he was driving.

SPEAKER_04: 31:54

So if you didn't necessarily see yourself, that you you know that you were in spirit and know that we couldn't have created it without you because um because there were a lot of people that can showed up. There was like 30 some people that showed up to uh in the little tiny town. Are you sure he wasn't part of the the ghost that came out of the I don't know if you just didn't get his section? I don't know. He said he wasn't, but maybe we might have to look back. Maybe we'd have to make an edit a new version and just just have him walk by.

SPEAKER_00: 32:22

Just him, just him, just him walking out by himself, doing it doing a little hand signal like from his head, like a little like a little uh a salute, a salute to chat. That would be a that would be amazing. That would be fun, anyway.

SPEAKER_04: 32:35

But yeah, I'm just so grateful for everybody's listening. I'm gonna put this podcast on the Gilby fan page. Yes, Gilby has a fan page, as it should, as it absolutely should. And uh gosh, I'm just so grateful for all those people that showed up.

SPEAKER_03: 32:48

Yeah, yeah. And I hope everyone actually enjoyed it as well. And and knowing knowing that you know there's a lot that goes into these uh these making of films and the videos. And as I said, always say before, you know, it's not what happens behind the camera, it's what happens in front. And so wherever I turn the camera and whatever I record, let's be honest, Josh, as well. We had four minutes of recording. We spent two full days of recording. So in total, in total hours, I had two and a half hours of footage, total footage that had to go back to four minutes from two and a half hours to four minutes.

SPEAKER_04: 33:21

So if you're wondering if you if that's if why did I get cut out? Well, the odds were not great. No, the odds were four minutes out of two two hours.

SPEAKER_02: 33:30

The only the only odds that were great were you and Chad. That was it. Like that was that's pretty yeah, pretty good odds there, yes, for sure. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 33:37

Um yeah, do you remember anything else about that day that you want to bring up before we talk a little bit about the editing process and and all that?

SPEAKER_03: 33:43

Absolutely, absolutely. And what I what I find found most fun about that day was actually talking to everyone as well. And and we had like variants of geocaches there. We had sort of you know the older generation sort of renouds sort of style people there. We had we had families there, we had like you know, single moms or single fathers that were there, the kids were there too. So um, you know, and we we had the I'll call them the middle-aged men, like the Minnesota boy, Minnesota boy, Minnesota boy, and uh and his brother.

SPEAKER_04: 34:09

He was in there a lot. Him and his brother were in there a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 34:12

I think I think they were in there a lot because we got them separately to the group as well. And they were with us also they were with us, and also the way they uh exuberate their energy on camera, it caught it captured better in regards to like it built up that energy level on film, if that makes sense, the way they were. So yeah, yeah. And again, let's be honest too. I captured a lot more footage of those two finding caches than what you'll actually see.

SPEAKER_04: 34:38

So I mean, we could we you if we had time and energy, we could we could edit a longer version. But but the cool the cool thing is is that we did tell the story in four minutes, and that's all we that's all we needed, actually. That's right, other than the fact that maybe we could have had a scene where his wife didn't see the ghost. That would be kind of cool. I'm really I'm kind of kicking myself now.

SPEAKER_03: 35:00

Yeah, I and I'll be honest, I didn't think of that at the time. Neither did I. We we had a we, and that's the thing with you and I, Josh, too. We had a story, we both had the same storyline in our minds together, even though we were separate. We both had the same vision um in our own in our own minds. But that vision is only good, and you can storyboard, and this is for anyone out there who's doing a GIF film or any types of film. You can always have a storyboard there and you can try and go off the store, but there's always going to be something extra on the day. Now, things things like that were extra on the day, things like that, the trackable tag, the the little Easter egg trackable tag that you see in front of the uh or behind the the lock when the lock gets put down. Um, other things that I don't think were picked up that much was uh was the uh um oh what's her name?

SPEAKER_01: 35:47

Oh Gia Gia Cassius.

SPEAKER_03: 35:49

Gia Cassius.

SPEAKER_04: 35:49

She was in there, she's a fan.

SPEAKER_03: 35:51

Yeah, she is a fan of Give Gilby, obviously. And but she had her little um lackey tag as well in one of the parts, too.

SPEAKER_04: 35:58

Like I said, she's so badly wanted she so wanted to badly be there for the filming. So I wanted to like make sure we could somehow get her in there somehow. And then and we'll get we'll get to that when we get to the editing process because there was a little something extra. I know we'll talk we'll talk a little bit about that because now we can talk about that. Oh, and one more thing I'll say. Say one more thing. There's another character in here that nobody's asked me about, which is really interesting. All right, and that is the voice. The voice. Yes, yes, if you if you hide it, they will come. Yeah, and so here's the deal with the if you know the movie Field of Dreams, you know that the director um of that film, um, he he knows who that voice is, yeah, and he has sworn never to tell who is the voice. And that's the that's our commitment to nobody is going to know who the voice is.

SPEAKER_03: 36:55

There is a total of four people in this entire world that knows that voice and who that voice is from, directly.

SPEAKER_04: 37:02

Including the voice, including the voice.

SPEAKER_03: 37:04

That's that voice, it's a hymn. That voice definitely does need he said it. So um, yeah, but that's that's it. So that's forever gonna be one of those little hidden Easter eggs, a secret Easter egg that uh you know everyone can deliberate on if they wish, and if they want to talk about they can, and they can ask you and I, Josh, uh you know, outright, but we'll never get to tell them anyway.

SPEAKER_04: 37:23

So I would like spec. I kind of I would like to invite speculation. Yeah, I would like to invite speculation because nobody I'm kind of surprised. Nobody has wondered because we didn't. I'm not a really a big fan. I come I well, I go back and forth. I'm not really a big fan of credits. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just like it's uh to me, it's like a waste, it's a little bit of a waste of time when you only have four minutes. Yeah, like big voice of time. You don't need credits, yeah. Um, so but if we did have credits, we would not put the name of the person who no, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_03: 37:56

The voice not at all, not at all. So yeah, no, that's uh that they had the voice of that was there.

SPEAKER_04: 38:02

That was don't you think that was a that was a good idea though? Because I was like, we have a good idea. And I'll just I will say this it's not me and it's not you.

SPEAKER_03: 38:09

No, no, it's not us, it's four people, including the person that actually said it, but uh it's not Josh or I. Um, and one other thing that things as I was saying before about things that happen as we record as well. Um, probably one of the um only laughs actually in the video is when you say, by the way, do you have a pen to check it out?

SPEAKER_04: 38:28

Yeah, that was not that was not scripted.

SPEAKER_03: 38:30

That was not scripted at all. That's that there is real life. If everyone knows you, Josh, that's real life. That actually happened in real life. As we were recording, you know, we we did a few takes of that too. And uh in the first take, you you you looked and you go like you you stopped, you stopped like out of character, and you still you laughed a bit, and you go, Do you have a pen? And she you laughed and shook your head. I said to you, let's let's do this, let's work that in. And you're like, What? I go, trust me, let's what it sounded good.

SPEAKER_04: 38:57

Yeah, I liked it. Yes, I'm glad we kept it in. Um, the thing is though, that uh I I was wondering if we should keep it in because I didn't want the film to be funny. Like some people are like that, and you know, when people vote on it, it's like, oh, I vote on the funny ones. Well, yeah, yeah. My goal, our goal was not for it to be funny. I wanted it, this is higher level. I wanted to show the spirit of geocaching, the spirit of Chad, the spirit of that that area, and the people that are that love that area and that are proud of that area. Yeah, um, that's what I wanted to show. It was not designed. If I wanted it to be funny, if we wanted to be funny, we could have put all kinds of zingers in there.

SPEAKER_03: 39:37

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_04: 39:38

Cheese, like cheesy stuff, tripping over and goofy stuff, and like that was not, but it is kind of it is kind of funny. Like, okay, the people that know me, I never have a pen. That's funny. But the at the fact that ghost me doesn't have a pen either.

SPEAKER_03: 39:52

That's right, that's right. That's what I like. And as I said, I think I think at the time when you first said it, you laughed. I laughed behind on camera, and I knew that that was gonna be you know cut out, that particular part. But I thought to myself, no, no, no, we need to, we need to work this. We need to work this angle for this part because and then and even then as well, we then spoke about like how Chad would hand you the pen, knowing that he's actually gonna be he's he's excited to see you, but he knows you're a ghost.

SPEAKER_04: 40:17

Yes, and that was try that was our one like tried way to try to communicate that I'm a ghost. Yeah, was that yeah, he's gonna be afraid. You see a ghost, you're gonna be scared. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 40:26

So him him shaking with a pen and the eyes that I got him as well, like a nice close-up of his eyes like open and shaking.

SPEAKER_04: 40:32

That was really fun.

SPEAKER_03: 40:33

Again, people who know Chad especially love that about him and and love that part, and so they're like Chad the actor, you know. He's such a good sport. Yeah, he was, he was really good. He was really good. So those are the things that I I take away. Um, that you can always have a storyline in place, you can always have storyboards happening, you know, we where you're gonna shoot, how you're gonna shoot, you know, your lenses, your cameras, all that sort of stuff. But you can't you can't fake something that's just naturally happens on set or on scene.

SPEAKER_04: 41:02

Yeah, and I'll say this behind the scenes. I did have some, I did have a Google Doc. I had stuff written down.

SPEAKER_03: 41:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04: 41:09

I actually had storyboards, but when we got out there, guys, I didn't pull it out, I didn't look at it once. I we didn't need it because it was in our heads. It was in our heads, it was in our heads, so we were like exactly right. So we weren't like we weren't checking off, like, oh, we gotta get this shot, this shot. We were just freewheeling. I mean, I uh so I'm kind of proud of that. Like, yeah, not even professionals, probably freewheel like not like we did, not like I have to say that we're professional, but like you know what I mean. Like we didn't I know exactly. We just kind of we went with what was in our brain, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 41:40

And uh and and speaking more in regards to the edit process as well, you will find again if you listen to it over again, listen to it as you watch it. No sound whatsoever came from the camera apart from Josh and and and Chad's dialogue. Um like the the the kid laughing like the child laughing and stuff when he's fine on the cache. Things like that, the short bits, some of those short bits were were actually audio, was some audio was taken from that, but the everything else, no audio. I mean, I still remember when uh we we spoke to Chad and showed Chad, and he said, Um, I don't have any chickens or rooster. Like as he walked outside and you hear the cockle noodle, you know, showing that he's on a farm. He's like, I don't have chickens or rooster, where did that come from? I was like, it's the power of of sound, the soundboard, the sound deck. Um, just give everyone's idea as well. It did take a numerous hours to firstly, firstly build out the storyboard itself. The storyboard's gonna be the main thing. Uh, but 50% of a film you listen to, you don't watch, but you gotta listen to it subconsciously. So, in other words, you've got to have these sound effects and these sounds of nature, these sounds of outdoors, sounds of indoors, even. Indoors has a sound, uh, like the nighttime with the crickets, for instance, that sort of thing. But you gotta have it so subtle, not punch you in the face, go, oh, that's fake. You know, it's gotta be so subtle that it's realistic, you know, that that actually happens. If you don't have any of those extra added sounds, then it's really flat. The actual movie is very flat.

SPEAKER_04: 43:12

It doesn't have as much texture.

SPEAKER_03: 43:14

No, yeah, and no depth.

SPEAKER_04: 43:15

Yeah, and I think we're segueing a little bit to the actual edit. And um, I want people to go, if you go to my Facebook, your Facebook, you have the the timeline, like the actual what the edit, what the edit looked like. That's convinced and it's very and it's just very complicated with sound effects and like all I mean and color grading. Like people, I don't know if people understand, you know, people look at they're like, wow, that's really professional. Well, yeah, because if you looked at the the timeline, it's like I was like, what are you like Craig? What are you editing? Infinity war? Yeah, I know. We were editing the Avengers, I know it was it was intense. It took, yeah. So how many hours did it take start for because that's where the hard work is. The filming was fun, but yeah, yeah, from start to finish, how long did the you know because you you edited it and then we uh it took us seven times too, yeah, seven reviews before we're like, that's it, we got it.

SPEAKER_03: 44:10

Yeah, and in total, I will say it it would have easily been over uh between 20 and 30 hours worth of work in total, just in the edit alone. Um and the other thing that I I do is that I love to push myself as an editor. Um, and I think a lot of people do this in their own jobs as well, and that is they like to otherwise your job gets boring, like you, Josh, for instance. Well, you love to try and learn new things in your job, in your role, you know. You go out there and you meet new children and you go, okay, how can I get this across this message across to this child, you know? And so you you push yourself. Same thing with me is I push myself, and one of the things I push myself with with is where the ghost components, like all the ghost components, not just you coming out, but the whole lot coming out. And I push myself to go, okay, what do I need to film? How do I need to film this in order to have layers upon layers? And that's how you do it. Um, you have several different layers coming in and out. Now, uh, there's a good friend of ours, Jeff from uh from Cash the Line. He he private message me and he goes, he goes, dude, that's a lot of rotoscoping, and it that's what it's called, rotoscoping. When I literally pull out one person or one object from a tire video and have that person by themselves on one layer, yeah, have another person on another layer, another person on another layer. So all that is condensed down, all those layers. So every single person you see in that ghost line is a layer that's been rotated. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 45:32

That did that take the most time? I'm sure it did. That that just the section where they walked out.

SPEAKER_03: 45:38

Yeah, it it took it probably took the most time as a time of of on camera or on film and time to make. Yes, that would have taken the most time to do that. Um, and it also took the most work in regards to my computer, my hard drive work too, because it was there's a lot of work that goes through there on the computers just like it, and you can hear it crunching like it actually starts to spin and starts to wind up. Okay, I'm working this bad boy hard now. So yeah, yep, yep. Thank goodness for Apple. Yes, is my my method of choice. And just for anyone out there, I use Final Cut Pro. Um, is my my software of choice that I use.

SPEAKER_04: 46:15

Um so you know what happens is you know, we're collaborating, so it's you know, it's not like we're doing this together, and it's just a really tricky thing. I I think we're such a good team. I don't consider myself, Craig. I trust what you do, and you do such good work that I'm not I'm not protecting, I don't feel like I'm picky. Maybe you would say it. I'm not you definitely um I really trust yes, I really trust you, even though we had seven different you know, uh runs of it, which that's actually not I mean, people might think seven, not really a lot because the tweaks were the tweaks were small. But another thing, uh anybody that's thinking about doing a gif, I think it's really important because um it's it's cool to have a team, maybe not too many people because you it's really hard to make a film by committee because then things are too slow. But a team like you and I is good because we can play off each other, like, oh, I kind of like that part, I like that part, or or I think that should be a little bit different. Um, I actually had showed it to my I showed it to my kids. I showed it to Reese, Reese and Jonah, because they're really in the like film world right now. And they had I thought they had a really good uh they loved it. But I thought they had a really good uh point at the beginning of the film. You know, there's a lot of music and sound, and we're building the mysterious, but they I think they had a good point that it was their point that they thought the beginning should be almost other than the crickets, almost silent. And then they're like, then you can let they're like then you can the music can go somewhere, so it crescendos, and I think it does that so well because by the time he says, No, this is the is this heaven? No, it's Gilby, and I leave, and then the cars come in, it's like this grand, it like grand crescendo, and it like go it goes from very small to very epic, and I just love that.

SPEAKER_03: 48:04

And just just to let you know, because I knew exactly what they were after, uh Jonah and and and Reese as well. And it was a gr fabulous idea, an absolutely fabulous idea, and it's something I'd never thought about until you spoke about it in one of the edits. And that is so the whole what I basically did was I grabbed that entire uh audio, uh, put the audio all down into one file only. I then actually did the crescendo myself. So, you know, it starts off, it starts off as nothing, zero. Um, and then when it starts itself, it goes from one and throughout the movie, it goes all the way up to a level ten. So it does naturally build slowly throughout the entire movie. So it's good that you actually picked it up and heard that. Like you you just don't know it's it should create feeling, and that's the whole point.

SPEAKER_04: 48:49

So yeah, and that was the that was my hope is when he said no, this is Gilby, and then the cars, it was like it just popped, and then I was like screamed to black, to black, yeah, to black to black done.

SPEAKER_03: 49:01

Boom.

SPEAKER_04: 49:01

I just thought and you did let and he added, if you watch it, there's letterboxing. So as the cars are going by, the letter boxes go down, so like and that just made it even it drew your eyes even farther, and then the zoom in on the Gilby sign, and then to bat to black. Oh, so people that love Gilby um and know that place, like they got people told me they got chills. I got chills, you know what I mean? It's just like oh my gosh, that was just yeah, yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_03: 49:29

I mean, I even I when I first when I first and things happen, things happen for me often when I'm doing my edits, and no matter what I edit, whether I edit like a real estate video, for instance, or whether I edit uh a gift film, it makes a difference. Things happen to me all the time when I'm editing, and it naturally happens. I never have to force anything, and maybe this is just one thing that uh, you know, I don't know you call it a a gift or a style, but I actually just I I'm very thankful for it, and that is that you know, there's some times where I hear other editors out there, they'll say they take an hour, two hours to pick an actual background music for something. And I'm like, Yeah, really? Yeah, I said seriously, it's normally my second or third click is that's that's what I'm thinking, and that it just works, you know what I mean. And even in my edits, when I edit as well, you'll find like even that last bit there when I edit it too. I didn't edit for that woof at the end, that was naturally there at the end.

SPEAKER_04: 50:22

It was just in there, and you're like, and then you were like perfect, and I was like, that's it.

SPEAKER_03: 50:26

So things like that happen while I'm in the edit, and that's where I actually get my goosebumps, I get my tingles, you know, yeah. Yeah, you're like happen all the time.

SPEAKER_04: 50:34

So yeah, it's like it worked, it worked. Um, so then so we did the full edit. It was we we were happy with uh the the seventh, seventh edit, yeah, but we really uh we were going back with Gia Cassius, who um works at HQ, but also she was you know, she's the Gilby hype girl. That's what Chad calls her. Yeah, and she was she was she wanted so badly to be in the film. So we were trying to think of creative ways to get her in the film. So then uh I don't know if it was you or uh I don't know if it was I or you that had the idea of what to do, but we were like thinking about um like an Avengers movie, how there's the cutscenes, you know, like at the end of the at the end of the credits, and we're like, okay, what if we have like a cut scene? Yeah, and and so I don't again, I don't know. I can't remember if it was you or I, it doesn't matter. We're like, oh, what if we got a clip of HQ of the lackeys discovering Gilby, and then they're like they run out and they're like, oh my gosh, I've heard of this thing called Gilby, and they all run out of the the HQ office. So we actually had we actually had uh Gia and uh several of the lackeys film that for us.

SPEAKER_05: 51:38

Yeah, and you edited it, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 51:40

You edited it, and then we added it to it, and then we were like, we looked at it and we're like, I like it, it's fun, but I'm concerned that I don't want people to think if it like, for example, if it did get the audience award, for example, which it's not going to, we'll talk about it. Yeah, I don't think no, it's not. Um, we didn't, I didn't want people to think, oh, it's because they were connected to HQ. Yeah, you know, and Gia was like, Gia was like, I don't want to hurt your chances, so she was okay. So we took it out.

SPEAKER_03: 52:09

So we took that part out, and and and in taking that part out as well allowed me to build up a little bit more in regards to showing of the the caches. Yeah, you know, yeah, we had more time. I had more a little bit more time then. I had and and you know what, five five seconds, ten seconds is a lot of time when you're talking about a four-minute film. So you know that's that's a lot of things to do.

SPEAKER_04: 52:29

Yeah, but the funny thing is is the the uh the one the clip that's on my YouTube channel right now of the of the film is the one with the lackeys with the lackeys, yeah. Which means which means the the geocaching scenes are probably or they're about five seconds shorter on the my version.

SPEAKER_00: 52:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 52:46

So if you want to watch the original version, it's on the full GIF reel.

SPEAKER_03: 52:50

But if you want to watch that alternate ending, the origin the the one the one that you see in the GIF is actually on my channel as well, Josh. I'm gonna put it on my channel on Saturday. Perfect. Um, and that's just the normal one that you see at the GIF. There's no talking before it or after, it's just the GIF one, that's it. Perfect. Um, so that one's the original one is on or the original GIF one is on mine, but the original one with HQ is on yours. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 53:12

And I did I debated, I debated which one I wanted to put up, but I thought, you know what? If you've a lot of people are gonna watch the you know, the original one on the GIF reel in its entirety. It's like let's give the people something a little different. Um, so that's why I just I thought it'd be fun. It's a little bit of a hook, alternate ending.

SPEAKER_01: 53:28

Yeah, it is alternate endling.

SPEAKER_04: 53:30

So we submit it and we wait and we wait. I don't know how long did we wait. We submitted it in June.

SPEAKER_03: 53:40

Yeah, we waited until August.

SPEAKER_04: 53:42

Okay, a couple months. And then we and then we found out, and then we had to keep it secret for several weeks that we that we were finalists.

SPEAKER_03: 53:50

Although some some other filmmakers, yeah, they didn't keep it secret, uh, I saw. Uh some other finalists made an announcement.

SPEAKER_04: 53:56

One whatever. Do you wait? Do you think that disqualifies them from winning?

SPEAKER_03: 54:02

No, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do anything like that. Because I'll be honest with you, that one we're talking about as well. That was actually a very funny um oh it it got a lot of has high probability.

SPEAKER_04: 54:12

I if I put money on it, um, I'll just say this uh buys and buddy 5000 by Skimbosh. Yeah, uh, I if I put money on it, I think he's gonna win. I I I heard the most buzz around that one, yeah, and I heard the most buzz around another one.

SPEAKER_03: 54:26

With with with his one as well, it was lucky because it was just it was just before intermission. And he did a very, very, very smart thing by putting a phone number on this. So people straight away wanted to get involved and wanted to see. So I when it come intermission, I know the the GIF event that I went to, um, come intermission. They they rang the phone number and then put it on loudspeaker to see what it was, and he then continued with the theme saying, you know, yeah, and a very very humorous, very, very, very funny guy. That was brilliant, very funny guy. And so that then made it even more memorable for the voting sort of part, too. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 55:02

Very, very if Skimbosh wins, he deserves the win. It was it was brilliant, it was a great job. Also, well, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Sorry, we're not going. There was another one called Hard Work that was very good. Yes, um, I thought was really uh really strong that one might do very well too.

SPEAKER_03: 55:16

That's the one where the the guy was actually inside the capital in the gadget catch. In the gadget catch. And that was a that's a lot of uh prop work in regard to the case.

SPEAKER_04: 55:24

Yes, the pro people don't understand the props, that's so many props.

SPEAKER_03: 55:30

Um that was that was absolutely brilliant. And I do like the theme and the storyline with that was very, very clever as well. So um that got caught my eye. One of the others that caught my eye was actually from one of the young, young team members, and that was the um the trailer, the movie trailer style. Yes, and I think that caught my eye because that's similar to my style. Yeah, yeah, it's very cinematic and it's upbeat and it's very pain-punchy in your face, and uh it makes you well want to go out and watch this particular movie now. Yes, you know, it did what its job as a trailer should do, makes you want to watch the movie. So um, but uh it's unfortunate, but I think personally, someone like me, I love that particular one. Uh, the average geocacher, they're like, what's that about? You know what I mean? So it's it's it's hard, you can't please everyone, Josh. So but then there was one other as well that I think we both enjoyed. Uh just Carlos. Uh his name is, and he's his his cinematography for that and the way he films is is brilliant. I love I love his camera work, what he does, I love his angles, I love his style. Um I I love the the camera in which he uses, I love the look of it. Um, I love his focal points that he makes. He creates different focal points. I love how he pulls focus, but not too often, just every couple of times here and there to keep you involved. So uh just collos, mate, if you're listening, good job from uh from cinematographer cinematographer to cinematographer.

SPEAKER_04: 56:53

And I'll say that another thing a reason I liked his too is that it captured the spirit of geocaching, which I think is really important. That was and that was part of the one of the intentions on ours. We wanted to catch the spirit of Gilby, uh the spirit of the spirit of community. Thanks for the community. That was the theme.

SPEAKER_03: 57:10

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And and it also it also inspired myself, Josh, to uh my next gift is submission.

SPEAKER_04: 57:19

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 57:22

There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 57:23

There we go.

SPEAKER_03: 57:23

Um, a couple other things may or may not involve you, but we'll soon see.

SPEAKER_04: 57:26

Okay, um, it's okay if it doesn't. Um a couple other ones. Since we're talking about that, we've kind of skipped to actually talking about the actual film, the real. Um, a couple other ones that really stood out to me. Three other ones. The cross-stitch one, the one of the the cross-stitch, the amount of work. It was it was uh it was a cross-stitch thing of geocachers, and they made an animation, so they had to they had to cross-stitch a whole single stitch thing, then tear it, then tear it apart, and then do it again.

SPEAKER_03: 57:59

Yeah, every single hour was photographed and put together like a like a like a flip page, you know, book. Um, absolutely incredible. The amount of hours for that was was incredible. I mean, and and I love the variety too, Josh, I will say, uh, as all the reels, like even to the point where you know Signal was uh was out there again as a puppet, you know what I mean? Like the puppet of signals. That that they they do the same thing, uh like same, use the same uh puppetry sort of style of each of their videos. I like that. That's very cute too.

SPEAKER_04: 58:28

So um another one that I like, I kind of sometimes like the real life ones. So the documentary style, uh the one about the guy and his friend that went out to the island and they got poison ivy, and then and then they and then when they came back that he realized that um that there was a cash there the whole time, he didn't get it. So he went back out, and then that scene where he's walking back to the island, but it's low tide, low tide, yeah, and and then he goes back and he finds it. I don't know. I just the real life ones like to me, they stick out because they're so different than the rest of them. Yeah, um, I like that one. I like the Japan one.

SPEAKER_03: 59:02

I was about to say the Japan one. I enjoyed that as a storyline as well to that Japan one. That was a good story.

SPEAKER_04: 59:07

Had a great ending, had a great ending, yes.

SPEAKER_03: 59:10

An ending that I like, and that is one that punches you in the face, basically, and gives you a good hook hook ending laugh to go, oh, that's funny, you know. Um, so yeah, I enjoyed that one as well.

SPEAKER_04: 59:20

Uh, one more that sticks out, and this is just for the beauty of it. Um, there's the one from France of the the it was animated, but it was like this beautiful animation where it was the the boy went out with his grandfather, yeah, and then he realized the treasure was the time with his grandfather, and it was very, very simple. Yes, but it was but the animation was so beautiful, yeah. Yeah, and it was like this is amazing.

SPEAKER_03: 59:44

And again, that storyline gives you the feels, like it actually makes you feel something, you know. Um, and again, it gives you that little hook ending. What I always say to people about the hook ending, it gives you that little hook ending when he says, you know, the the the best find was actually the time with my grandfather. It's like wow. Wow. That's it's so true. So absolutely, mate. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:03

You would say that was the greatest treasure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:05

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:07

Something we should make a comic book about that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:10

Maybe, maybe. Anything else that you want to talk about before we go?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:15

A couple things. It was so awesome. There was a couple things. I you know, I I shared that, you know, my my upgrade and downgrade. I hosted I hosted uh a GIF, and I always said, I always said, if I ever made it to the gift reel. So when I did it in 2013, it was at HQ, and that's only the only people that saw it. That's it. And um, and so I never had the opportunity to have a like a worldwide audience like like they do now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:43

So I always thought, if I make it, I'm gonna rent a theater. I want to rent, I want to see my film on a big screen. Yeah, so I rented like the nicest theater in town. It was beautiful. It had it had like the Barka Loungers, but you know how like those are cool in itself. But then there was like huge aisle space, and it was just oh my, it was 80 seats. We filled them, it was beautiful, but it was stressful, Craig, because HQ was having problems with when you shoot a uh show a film in a real theater, the theater asked for a DCP file, which is a very um high quality, very big file that the movie theater projectors can actually play.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:26

And HQ, unfortunately, the film festival has already be had already begun several days, and they and the file was not, they couldn't get the file to work. So I so they gave me like a test file, and they were like, may they're like, Maybe you could test this out. So going into my gif, Craig, I didn't even know if it was gonna work. Oh no. So the guy at the theater, I was like, I was stressing, and I was like, I don't know if it's gonna work. I gave him the file. He goes, This file is so big that I have to go home and download it. Oh so I'm calling him at home and like, how's it going? He goes, It won't be this is the night before, it won't be done downloading until midnight. And he's like, I'm not gonna be able to go back to the theater and test it. So he downloaded it. Oh that morning I show up the and then started at 10. I get there at like 9:30. Yeah, he opens the door and he goes, he goes, Bad news, it doesn't, it doesn't work. And I was like, then I'm crossing my fingers. Please, please tell me that you can plug the movie theater, the movie theater um projector into a laptop. Yeah, and he's like, and they're like, Yeah, actually we can with HDMI cord. I'm like, really? Oh so Minnesota Boy, Minnesota, Minnesota boy. I he I brought my laptop, he brought his laptop, and I said, I said, Tim, bring every chord you own. I have no idea. I have no idea what kind of cord is gonna plug into this thing. It was an HDMI cord, thankfully, which means which is important too for sound because there's the video, but then there's also the sound. Yeah, you need to. When he plugged that in and pressed play, and I was in that theater, and I heard that beautiful it Craig, it sounded so it sounded so good. I used the the uh MP4 file and it looked so good and it sounded so good. And I was like, thank the geocaching gods, thank the gift gods that I'm not gonna have to. I I thought I might have to cancel the event.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:28

Wow. Yeah, wow, that's that was stressful. That's stressful, that's really stressful. I I know, I know myself, Josh. You've seen me when it comes to technology.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:37

Oh with I think you would, yeah, you would have, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:41

I would have, I wouldn't have any hair left. I was stressed because I'm I'm the type of person uh you see me all the time, Josh, with any of my my film and my technology stuff and cameras and whatever. Um, if something's not working for me, I I'm like, it's gotta work. It's gotta work. I've got to do this, it's gotta work because I'm very much it has to happen, sort of guy. You know, it has to already be done, it'd already been you know tested, it's already been so I wouldn't have been able to handle that like you didn't. So well done, yes, you and and Tim as well. Thank you, Tim.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:11

Yes, uh, and one more thing I want to say before we uh we finish here. Um another thing that was a little bit tricky, and and the minute they announced it, they they have all the names of all the the film film creators. And ours was team vlog it said team vlogger. Well, there's a lot of vloggers now, it's not just the geo the geocaching vlogger. No, and I and I was like, hey, I reached it. We we reached out to HQ. I was like, can you put our names on the reel? Yeah. Um and that by that time they had already sent it to the whoever edits the full reel. They said that's already done, but they changed it on the website. But the bummer is here's the bummer is like um I don't care, I don't care because um I'm uh people know this week I've been posting these last two days, I've been posting all over social media. That's my film, that's my and you're all you're also in it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:04

I'm in it, I'm in it. Yeah, yeah. And even Chad was getting messed up.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:08

Yes, exactly. But Craig Craig was fully behind the camera on this one, and um, I want people to realize, and you said it before, um Craig did most of the heavy lifting on this. We would not, I'm convinced I would not have been a finalist, or it would not have been as good. I could have maybe pulled off the idea, but it wouldn't have been what I wanted. It would have been a half-ass version. It would have been, it would have been. Yeah, because I don't have the skills. Um, and uh, and this is your the fifth, kind of the fifth time that you're a finalist. Fifth finalist, yeah. Fifth, where it's if it's not a record, you're tied for somebody, I think, for a record. Um, so I just want the world to know like this is your film, and um, and it's unfortunate that's our film, Josh. Yeah, it's our film, but it it's unfortunate that um that people weren't aware of that. And I I'm really kind of I'm bummed by that, but that's why I I'm using my loud uh megaphone for the next for the next week. I've actually run Craig. I told you this, I've actually run ads. I never run ads on Facebook. I never I run ads to push our gift film. I mean, it's already been seen by a lot of people, yeah. But I just I'm like, I'm gonna I want it. We and here's the reason. We worked really hard on it, and we're really proud proud of it, and we want people to see it. So I wanted to get it as met in front of many people as possible.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:33

So and we're proud of our video, and that's a rare thing.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:35

Yes, we've said proud a lot in this in this one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:39

So there you have it. You know, something someone else I'm proud of, Josh, it's all our patrons as well. I'm proud we wouldn't be able to have this podcast without them. We wouldn't be able to, you wouldn't be able to put ads on yours.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:51

Yeah, no, that's self-final. No, that's self-fired, that one. Yeah, that's me. That's me. Um, yes, we are proud of our patrons, and um, we want to thank you for all your support. And if you're sitting there thinking, gosh, I listen to the treasures of our town podcast all the time. I really get a lot of entertainment out of that, out of that, out of our podcast. If you want to support us, we would really uh appreciate it. This is a completely 100% supported podcast, and it's all on Patreon. So uh you can go to patreon.com backslash treasures of our town. There we have golden nuggets. And um, you're there'll probably be, they won't be, though they're gonna be the first ones to see the behind the scenes um video I'm gonna put out this Sunday. But I'm gonna I'm gonna be working on it before that. So hopefully by this Friday, by the time they all listen to it, it'll already be out there. But um, they get to see stuff before anybody else. And so so that's what's gonna happen. So support us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:49

If you are if you're a proud patron, we we thank you for that as well. But make sure uh yeah, let us know on Patreon as well when you watch it. Let us know your thoughts and and your opinions and and and talk to us on this particular podcast as well, like this episode, uh, and we'll go from there. But otherwise, Josh, how can anyone else reach out to us if they want to contact us?

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:06

Feel re feel free to reach out to us at isthisheaven. No, it's gilby.com. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:15

You need to, you need to, you need to get that. Uh obviously that you is this heaven?

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:19

No. Oh my gosh. I have an idea. I'll tell you later after the podcast. Okay. Uh, feel free to reach out to us at treasures of our town podcast at gmail.com, or you can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, or our Buzz Sprout site. Just simply search Treasures of Our Town Podcast, so you'll find us there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:35

And that's it for our show today. Please subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite podcasting app. And as always, Josh.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:41

May your travels always lead you. I'm really struggling. May your travels always lead you to the most unexpected and amazing hinge like Heaven or Gilby. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for your support on our podcast and our guilds.