Treasures of our Town
Embark on an exhilarating voyage through the heart of America's captivating towns and cities with the enthralling travel podcast, "Treasures of our Town." Join your experienced hosts, Craig (Seemyshell) and Joshua (Geocaching Vlogger), as they unveil the hidden gems and extraordinary treasures that lie beyond the surface.
Delve into a world of cultural exploration as our hosts guide you through historical sites, natural splendours, and extraordinary local experiences. All their travels are guided by their love of outdoor games like Geocaching and Munzee. Whether you're a seasoned globetrotter or a curious beginner, our captivating city tours and off-the-beaten-path destinations will ignite your wanderlust and leave you inspired.
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Treasures of our Town
Checking Off Roadside Attractions Bucket list Locations
Join Craig and Josh as they share their experiences visiting bucket-list roadside attractions they've previously featured on the podcast but never seen in person.
• Josh visits the World's Biggest Ball of Paint in Alexandria, Indiana, adding layer #30,085 and becoming a brief world record holder
• Meeting Michael Carmichael, the passionate creator who started painting layers on a baseball in 1977
• Craig explores the Badlands National Park in South Dakota, comparing its unique landscape to other national parks
• Free camping along the Badlands rim offers spectacular sunrise and sunset views
• Josh discovers Garfield-themed Munzee icons in Muncie, Indiana, hometown of cartoonist Jim Davis
• Exploring Wall Drug in South Dakota, a classic roadside stop famous for its numerous highway billboards
• Josh visits "Uranus, Indiana" - a smaller version of the Uranus, Missouri attraction we previously featured
• Craig checks out the Mitchell Corn Palace with its elaborate corn murals that change themes annually
• The current "Wonders of the World" theme features landmarks like the Sydney Opera House created entirely from corn
Support the podcast at patreon.com/treasurefortown where we'll share photos from these roadside adventures. Have feedback or ideas? Email us at treasuresofour townpodcast@gmail.com.
the true treasure, craig, this is americana. The true treasure is is the guy, because he's proud. I mean, holy cow, he's proud of that paintball and he's probably proud of his town as well, and that's a rare thing these days, um, that he's so proud of his. You get it in early josh, 15 minutes. Do you love to travel?
Speaker 2:Do you love road trips?
Speaker 1:Do you love finding hidden treasures in towns all over the USA? Hi, I'm Joshua.
Speaker 2:And I'm Craig. Welcome to Treasures of Our Town. It's a podcast that explores unique and charming towns scattered throughout the United States.
Speaker 1:Guided by our love for location-based games like geocaching, join us as we venture to some of the country's most intriguing destinations, uncovering hidden gems and local secrets along the way.
Speaker 2:On today's episode, josh, we're going to check, check, check, check one, two, check one, two. Checking off some of our bucket list roadside attractions that we've spoken about previously, never been to. Guess what, josh, that we've spoken about previously, never been to. Guess what, josh, you and I both of us have been to some of these brand new well, not brand new, but brand new to us roadside attractions that we featured in March Madness, not just this year, but March Madness in 2024 as well.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, it's really cool. Part of this podcast is that it gives us some ideas of places we should go, and we were inspired, craig.
Speaker 2:We were inspired by our own podcast I know, I know, absolutely, it was um, and even to the point when you know, we say before, our travels are guided by our location-based games, etc. You know, you know me, josh. I've been traveling around the US going from mega to mega or block party, block party, et cetera. But there's times in between, josh, where I think to myself hang on a second, where may I be going past between block party A and block party B? Well, there's a few things that have been passed in the last two weeks, josh, and there's a few that you've been past too. Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've been past a few things when I'm hauling all my kids' stuff down to college. It's just a little bit different sort of reason, but hey, any excuse to travel, you know.
Speaker 2:Exactly right, and at least you are traveling again. Remember those times, Joshua you went a few months without traveling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a dry spell and you got the itch.
Speaker 2:You got the itch, mate. You got the itch. Speaking of itch mate, what's your upgrade and delays?
Speaker 1:Well, well, well well. My upgrade was that we just saw each other, probably five hours ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:You were here in Minnesota once again for Munzee Mania 8.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we had a great weekend with Coach V, rob Vardaman, president of Munzee, our friend Minnesota boy, you guys were here, we did, we had a lot of fun and it was an epic Munzee event. If you're listening to this for the first time, what's Munzee? It's another location-based game where we had a gigantic, in terms of Munzee, a gigantic Munzee event here all weekend in beautiful Minnesota at a beautiful time. September's a great time. A little bit on the warm side, it's a little warmer than usual. A little warmer than usual, but it was. It was a great weekend. We had a lot of fun, didn't we? Craig?
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. And the parks. I will say, josh, especially for Munzee play. Munzee play needs parks. It needs a good walking track as part of the event, because these big events as well. There's 50 pin what they call pins to actually walk around and collect those pins. You can do a walking track, josh, anywhere between two, three, four miles worth of walking track and a nice circular track at that too. And we, you and I spoke about it and, and I said Josh, minnesota, the green parks of Minnesota, with their actual dedicated walking tracks, like their nice and smooth bitumen roadway as well, where you can walk through and it's all green, josh, it's beautiful mate beautiful.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I really appreciate it. And you know what, Josh, that's my upgrade as well, of course a great weekend with all the Munzee players. So not just you, me, Minnesota boy, Minnesota boy, Minnesota boy and Rob, but all the Munzee players. I really enjoy catching up with everyone, Josh. There was people there from California, people there from Florida, Montana.
Speaker 1:New York as well.
Speaker 2:Upstate New York were there too, so all of Arizona as well. There's people from Arizona up there too, so all over the place too. So that's really cool.
Speaker 1:It was really cool. Another part of my upgrade this week was you know, I'm also a geocacher.
Speaker 2:I'm not just a.
Speaker 1:Monzi player. I am the geocaching vlogger, after all, and so this week in Minneapolis, st Paul area was the Geocachers of Minnesota, which is one of our geocaching organizations, was Craft Beer Week Craig, what Craft Beer Week. And, craig, you got to participate in a couple of them, which means from Monday to Sunday. We're recording this on Sunday. Monday and Sunday there was a geocaching event at a different brewery every single day, and if you did all seven of them, you got your own personalized oktoberfest.
Speaker 1:Geocaching of minnesota stein like beer stein like ceramic beer stein. And so I just completed. I just came back from my last brewery. It's sunday now, and so I've never I've never done seven breweries. I well, I know, craig, you have, I know, but I've never done seven breweries. I well, I know, craig, you have, I know, but I've never done seven breweries in a row in seven days, and so that was a. That was a good thing. And, uh, you know, I was guided by my love for location-based games to drink at least one beer in every location, so that was really cool too tell me, josh, as well with that?
Speaker 2:um, was there many? Because I know Minnesota, and Minneapolis especially, has a lot of breweries. Yes, and you've been to quite a few as well. Was there any breweries that are brand new to you at all of those seven that you went to Was?
Speaker 1:there any brand new? The one that we went to Hacklemore in Chanhassen, the West Suburbs oh yes, that was new to me. I'd never been there before. They had the coolest thing happening, craig, it made me laugh so much. They had bingo going on, which is very normal for a brewery to do bingo, but they had plant bingo. And you might be asking what's plant bingo? Well, people were playing bingo to win plants and Craig tell them about the collars.
Speaker 2:I was going to say exactly right, like if you, if you're a brewery listening to this, for some unknown reason, you want more. You want more ladies to walk through the door and try your different types of beers. Then put on a plant bingo. There was 99.9 of players. There were all ladies, um, and the two, the two guys running the bingo itself. They were fully dressed up as actual plants, like they had a full green bodysuit, things on, with plants hanging off them. They had green faces as well, uh, sunglasses on. They had these big, uh big hacklemore. Um, it was hacklemore, obviously, not macklemore, but this is still something big hacklemore, big uh chains around their necks as well.
Speaker 1:So it was really cool. Yeah, yes, there were a lot of lovely moms, probably from the, from the western suburbs, here drinking beer, playing bingo. It was a lovely sight to see and, uh, it was a lot of fun. And we, there were some really cool beers there, craig. There was, uh, one called saturday morning cereal which tastes like cinnamon toast crunch. There was one called Holy Schneikies which was a Chris Farley inspired beer. It was like a $30 bottle. It was like what was the percentage of alcohol on that one? Craig, 15, 15.5%.
Speaker 1:That's a lot.
Speaker 2:15.5% was the percentage of alcohol on that one. That was a lot. I did get one bottle of that to go, and then we did, because it's $35 for a bottle. We did share it between you, myself, minnesota Boy and Rob too, just like little tasters, josh little tasters, so we can all share the love of beer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there was another one called Tap, tap, taparoo. Tap it in, tap it in, oh, tap, tap-a-roo. Tap it in, tap it in, oh, tap it in, just tap it in. So I'm guessing the owners of Hacklemore Brewing Company are very much fans of like 90s, you know comedies with Chris Farley and Adam Sandler and all that stuff. Yeah, that was a very nice brewery, a lot of fun. It was fun that you were there for that one as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a very nice brewery, a lot of fun. It was fun that you were there for that one as well. Yeah, and just don't forget I was going to say if you, if you actually enjoy breweries and you want to listen to it, more about breweries and a brewery podcast. Oh yeah, the best one out there, josh. The brewery adventure hosted by our good friend, courtney uh, also known as mecca mn in the geocaching and munzee world too. So the brewery adventure is out there on the airwaves as well and you are now their traveling roving reporter yeah, yeah, and I do bits and pieces here and there.
Speaker 2:I may record with her here and there as well. So but, yeah, the brewery adventure, that's really cool too. It's every second week, just like treasures of our town. Meanwhile, josh, that's all the good stuff.
Speaker 1:That's all the good stuff we've done a lot of good stuff we've got some delays, yeah what's mine is kind of a general delay. You know I just referenced I dropped off my final son to college, so, craig, I'm getting used to the idea of being an empty nester. It's a quiet house, yeah, uh, highlight or upgrade it's a cleaner house, uh which is nice.
Speaker 2:You're not forking out as much as money either.
Speaker 1:Well, you know it's very easy, but easy to venmo your child from far away.
Speaker 1:But uh, I was just even mentioning to tammy the other day it was garbage day and I couldn't believe. You know, usually our garbage is like overflowing with like door dash bags. Yeah, it was barely 25 percent full. I was like, oh my gosh, our kids produce a lot of garbage. Yeah, they do, absolutely. But the delay is, yeah, it's kind of sad, it's a I miss them and they're all out in the world doing great things. But yeah, I'm getting used to it, so I'm gonna make that my delay.
Speaker 2:There's some highlights to it, but it's kind of sad I miss them. They're all out in the world doing great things. I'm getting used to it. I'm going to make that my delay. There's some highlights to it, but it's my delay. How about you Main delay? Mine kind of the same thing. Over this week I stayed in an Airbnb with Rob, the president of Munzee. I left Tuesday all alone. Tuesday was an empty nester, josh see, if you like that, so it's kind of the same. But I had. I didn't even think about it, because she runs on solar as well, and so she's got separate batteries in it too. And of course, I've got a fridge that runs, you know, constantly. The whole time I wasn't using any other power apart from the fridge itself, but I parked her under a tree and therefore the solar wasn't solaring, no charge, so my batteries end up going flat.
Speaker 2:My uh, I cleaned I had to clean up my fridge because it all sort of you know, defrosted, so I've, uh, I've spent the the next uh, you know, five hours now driving and she's all fully charged again.
Speaker 1:Oh that's good, and thus we can do the podcast. Correct, correct.
Speaker 2:I'm getting all my charge from for the podcast.
Speaker 1:This podcast is powered by the sun. I never realized that or no, it's charged by your battery of your car.
Speaker 2:Both it's charged by my alternator of the van the alternator and also solar as well. So it's a two-pronged effect. But normally if she's by herself and I'm not running the car, then she does charge quite well off full solar during the day. If I don't actually run her at all and if she's just running the fridge, that's it, then she still charges all the way up to every single day. Very cool If you don't park under a tree, that's a good tip, good travel tip. So there you go, josh. Upgrades and delays. But let's get on to this episode, josh, let's do it. Let's do it. We're going to talk about where we've been, what things we've ticked off, what bucket lists we're talking about. Josh, did you want to start off with your first one and we'll go?
Speaker 1:oh, this is the major one for me and I even referenced it.
Speaker 1:I referenced in the last episode because I think I it was my upgrade for the last episode. Well, you know, I was trying to figure out what was going to be my ten thousandth geocache and I had this one in mind. But, as you know, if you listen to this podcast, you know that my ten thousandth was actually with you, craig, and it was a Back to the Future theme, which was great. It made for a great video. Make sure you go to my YouTube channel and check it out. Shameless plug.
Speaker 1:But I really wanted to visit this location, which was the biggest ball of paint the Guinness Book of World Records biggest ball of paint in Alexandria, indiana. And one of the reasons I wanted to visit it is because two years ago, craig, when you and I, in shorty knits, jesse brown, did the very first roadside attraction, march madness, this was the one that won it all. It got first place and jesse, jesse had visited there. I had not visited there, and you and I don't think you've been there yet either, have you? No, I haven't been there yet. No, no, no, you haven't been there yet either, have you? No, I haven't been there yet. No, no, no. Yeah, you haven't been there yet either.
Speaker 1:So I was on my way to drive my son's stuff down to college. I had to fly my son to college without his stuff, and then I took a weekend and I drove his stuff down. And a little bit outside of the way was Alexandria, indiana, which is just slightly northeast of Indianapolis. So it was slightly out of the way, maybe an hour out of the way, but Craig, it was so worth it.
Speaker 1:I am so glad I went, even though it wasn't my 10,000th geocache. So if you don't know what this is, this is exactly what it sounds like it is it is the biggest ball of paint in the world. It was created by a man named Michael Carmichael. Michael Carmichael, in 1977, took a baseball and painted a layer of paint around a baseball, let it dry, did another layer, did another layer, did another layer, did another layer, more, more, more, more, more. So many layers and and now, as it stands, there are now over 30 000 layers of paint on that sucker. The thing is 11 over 11 000 pounds. He's created his own building for it, so it's not even it's like this building for the biggest ball of paint, and so I knew I need to do it and so I went. And the cool thing about craig yes, it is a geocache, which makes it awesome so I wasn't sure if I was go ahead virtual.
Speaker 1:Is it a virtual type? No there is a physical geocache in that building oh really, it's owner's permission not a virtual. Yeah, it's. It's not that new of a cache. I think it was hidden several I think it's over 10 years old, right? So yeah, so it's a physical cache, and so I started driving. I wasn't sure if I was going to visit it. I'm driving through wisconsin and you have to make an appointment.
Speaker 2:You have to call him because he has to be home of course, because the whole idea is well, first of all, it'll be locked away, surely like it would be locked away because, yeah, the cash is inside the building.
Speaker 1:But the biggest fun of it, craig, is to be able to add your layer of paint to the paintball and so I've got a question, though, before we go on.
Speaker 2:So if you're adding a layer, that's technically adding weight, even if it's only grams, and technically adding width, again, only if it's oh yeah, millimeters, like it's not even a millimeter width, wise. So yes, so does that mean? Does that mean it gets bigger with every one? So is that it says that each time? Then is that new world record yes, that's what's so amazing about it?
Speaker 1:oh is that when you get to paint it, you are now the world record holder, which is so cool. Yeah, so he gives you. Uh, I'm on, I don't want to get ahead of myself because I want to give. I want to give a little more detail and, if you're really interested in what the experience was like, I did put out a youtube video on it as of the posting of this. It was posted yesterday and so you make an appointment, you go and the guy oh my gosh, the true treasure, craig, this is americana.
Speaker 1:The true treasure is is the guy because he's proud I mean, holy cow, he's proud of that paintball and he's probably proud of his town as well, and that's a rare thing these days um, that he's so proud of his you get it in early josh, 15 minutes in but because it's so appropriate, he is, he is literally so proud of this thing and the fact that I mean he's retired, he lives there and here's the thing is so cool.
Speaker 1:It's like he opens this up, it brings joy to people to be a part of it, like there's very few world records. I can't think of anywhere where you get to be part of the world record, but he just like opening up his home and he's a widower. This I discovered. You know his, his wife passed away just not so long ago. So yes, there's like he brings joy to the world by allowing people to come in and see it and paint it, but also he's helping you, like he's handing you rollers, he's, he's dipping the rollers into the paint and exchanging rollers with you, and the whole time he's talking your ear off.
Speaker 1:And you can tell he just enjoys having the company and he enjoys showing off the paintball and talking all about it, and if you watch the video you'll see that. And so you get to decide what color you get to paint it. I'm from Minnesota. I had to paint it purple to decide what color you get to paint it I'm from minnesota.
Speaker 1:I had to paint it, you know, purple for prince, purple rain, or I had to paint purple for the vikings, so I painted purple and I, uh, I painted layer 30,085. And so when you get in there, you walk in there, there's literally on the paintball it, uh, it marks, you know what layer you're about to paint. So you know right away and he does a before and after picture. So that was cool. And then, when you're all done, yes, he gives you a certificate which I'm going to frame and I just had a great conversation with him. And then I'm all done, craig, and then he all hands me something and I'm like, what is this? He hands me a piece of the ball, like a little piece that he cut off of the ball as a souvenir, and he autographs it. And you look at this little piece, it's about the size of my, you know, a little size of my hand, a little bit, and you look at it, there's probably like within that little chunk that he cuts off for me, yeah, there were probably 200 layers.
Speaker 2:You could see it like the, but by cutting it off, isn't?
Speaker 1:it can actually now take getting it smaller, yeah, but he just cuts a little piece off the bottom. Oh, he cuts a little piece on the bottom so it's actually the circumference around the middle.
Speaker 1:That's uh measured each time rather than yeah yeah, but he cuts up a little piece off. But but you could see it if I, if I showed it to you, could see the layers of the part that he cuts off. It's probably 100 layers just in a little piece or whatever. Um, so anyway, this guy salted the earth, it was so it's such a cool experience. Um, he had all these. He's a. I was like, what did you do for a living? And he was like, oh, I was a painter. Of course you were a painter he painted.
Speaker 1:His whole life has been about paint, which really reminded me, craig, really reminded me of the number one virtual in the world before that it got archived and that was Barney Smith's Toilet Seat Emporium. Oh, that's right. Yeah, and the funny thing about Barney Smith is that I believe he was a plumber. Yeah, oh. I'm sorry, and so this guy's a painter, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:It makes sense yeah.
Speaker 1:And so it very much felt like the toilet seat, a museum and the ball of paint. So really encourage you to visit. And outside of his house he has all these yard ornaments of things that he's painted like sunshines. I was like what's up with all these sunshine ornaments that you painted? They were stuck in the ground. He goes. This is great, he goes well. During COVID I painted those and for people that couldn't get out of their houses, like the elderly, I put them in their yards to brighten their day that's sweet Wow.
Speaker 1:So that was cool. Check, check, check, check, Check that one off your list.
Speaker 2:That's a big check that one too, because that was that one, that one 2024. Did you tell him about the winning?
Speaker 1:Oh my, gosh, he's winning 2024. I forgot to tell you that. Yeah, I'm telling him. And Craig, he was so excited, Really he was so excited that he won. I explained it to him and I said you know what I said I thought about creating a certificate to say that you were the winner. I said beat out all the ones, it was the first one. And he was like whoa, really, he's like could you, Could you mail me a certificate?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So I have designed a certificate'm gonna mail it to him and he goes if you send me a certificate, I'll hang it up, I'll frame it oh yes, tell you just so proud. So he was proud that our podcast named his, his roadside attraction, the number one roadside attraction in the, you know, very first one so yeah, so yeah I have.
Speaker 1:I have yet to send it to him and he's. It's funny too, because he was like you know, a lot of people say they're gonna send me things but they never do. Oh yeah, yeah, I was like.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm going to follow through yeah, you got, you got to follow through that. I'm gonna really push it now because, yeah, he sounds like a really really cool guy, roughly josh uh talking to him as well. How many times does it get reaped like it's painted?
Speaker 1:layers on a week, multiple, I think multiple times a day, depending on the day.
Speaker 2:So you're a world record holder for how long five hours, five hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I showed up at probably about two, two or three o'clock and he said yeah, I got so many coming at seven. I said, and on the video the very beginning of the cv, and here I am, I say I'm getting the world record, and then he chimes in for five hours I like it.
Speaker 2:I like it. So, yeah, and want to know more about that one. Yeah, absolutely head over to josh's youtube channel, if you haven't already subscribed, and you'll see exactly what Josh just described from there too. So I love it, mate. I love it. All right, do we need to go one for one for this, or what?
Speaker 1:I think you should go next. What have you seen?
Speaker 2:Craig. So, firstly and foremost I've come up from, I was in Colorado, I had a great time in Colorado. I had a great time in Colorado. I drove all the way directly north to Wyoming because we've got a good friend, a good friend of the podcast as well. Dave Smilemakers lives in Gillette, wyoming, again, a prolific geocacher, prolific Munzee player. Up there I think, josh, he's like the only player in the town.
Speaker 1:Oh, I believe that.
Speaker 2:They're all his. So I got up there and what happens? Oh, of course you know he is. Two brand new ftf caches come uh, get published. So there we go, I get a couple of ftfs, uh. But then from there, wyoming josh, I went straight across, and I was going straight across south dakota, like straight across the middle of south dakota. Um, first and foremost and all three of mine are in South Dakota I had to stop Josh at the Badlands National Park. Now, we haven't spoken because technically, it's not a roadside attraction, the Badlands, it is just like a national park. But there was a roadside attraction that I did stop at while I was at the Badlands too, but we'll get to that in a second. But the Badlands itself aren't. Have you ever been there? First and foremost? Oh, yes, I've been there, oh you've been there?
Speaker 1:yeah, I've been there two times. It looks like another planet, like I know that. I think I don't want to get this wrong, but I think movies have been shot there. I think the the original planet of the apes, I think was shot, was filmed shot there, because it doesn't look like Earth, it's like this strange area of rocks out in the middle of nowhere, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:What got me there, josh, is that there's not that many Earth caches there. There's only like a handful of Earth caches, yeah, you can go from, and if you've been to any other national park, normally you go in a big circle, big loop, and as you go in the big loop there's parking spots in different locations where you can go and do your hikes, et cetera as well. This one, it's not a loop, it goes literally. It comes in one end and goes out the other. So you come in the north side gate and go out the south side gate or vice versa. So that's really nice too.
Speaker 2:But what got me, josh, is that they encourage you to walk all over the badlands. So what I mean by that is so you go on these, uh, on these actual paths, these tracks, these dedicated sort of walking trails, um, and most of them, to begin with, are actually elevated off the ground and they're all, like you know, the wooden slats, and they're like a patio sort of walk um with handrails, the lot, and then at the very end there's steps that go down into the badlands. So there's, and then you, just, you just walk around. There are like these little trekking poles around that can give you because it's on an audio tour as well, if you want to do that, whereby you know there's these poles are numbered. So if you're in an audio tour, you go okay, we're at pole number one, for instance, and look to the right, that's what you see. Look to the left. So that's really cool as well.
Speaker 2:But really shocked me though, josh, it really did that. Yeah, you're allowed to walk all over these geological features. Um, yeah, it's really cool, but I'm gonna just think to myself you know, how long is this to last, with erosion and the human interference of these big rocks and these big craters and whatever else? If ever anyone's gone to national parks, we all know national parks are absolutely beautiful, especially here in the good old US of A, but they are all very, very different. I've been to so many of the national parks through the US from Florida, where it's really humid, but it's really, uh, beautiful and green, and you know, you've got swampy and alligators and all that sort of stuff all the way to utah, for instance as well, where it's all literally red rock, you know, similar to the badlands, except badlands is all gray and there's no, there's not the red, so it's a different sort of soil texture and a different sort of geological feature, and also different in terms of like what they look like compared to.
Speaker 2:Utah, for me, was very smooth. The rocks are very smooth there. They look so beautiful. The red you know the whole lot, and I'm talking about the Arches National Park. In there you go to Yellowstone. Yellowstone is all about the geysers and the volcanic activity and then the bison. You know what I mean, that sort of thing too. So it's a different again. But yeah, I'd never seen Badlands and I am so, so glad I did, josh, absolutely glad I did.
Speaker 2:So it's only been a national park, itself dedicated since 1978. And then to me it was like, oh, that's a bit different to me. I thought it would be a lot older than that. But no, 1978, it was actually dedicated. There are a lot of wildlife in and around this park. Now, again, as I drove through from the north to the south exit, as I went out the south exit, josh there's bison everywhere and they're laying down on the ground having dust baths themselves and being like big puppy dogs. These bison, if you're listening, if you've seen the bison, do not attempt to go anywhere near it. They look friendly but they're not. So please stay in your car and view them from your vehicle.
Speaker 1:There's too many videos on YouTube of people like trying to get selfies with a boss.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the bisons are not having it exactly but, josh, what happened was is that, as I come out the south end and all these bison there as well, luckily for me, there was a um like a cattle grid there and and big fences. So that's it kept them in that sort of area, because along the actual rim from there to the highway is a rim like a rim area of the Badlands. Josh, you can drive in there with your van, with your fifth wheel, with your trailer, whatever you've got, even your car with a tent, with your, your trailer, whatever you've got, yeah, even your car with a tent, and you can park for free for up to 14 nights along the rim of the badlands. Unbelievable, josh. So I actually got there. I got a spot, sunsets, sunrise phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal Coming in off and over the Badlands incredible. I parked over there, got there in the afternoon, parked overnight. The next morning I woke up and went. I'm not going to move.
Speaker 1:I'm going to stay here.
Speaker 2:It's perfect, I don't need to, I'm not in any rush, yeah, so I made myself some coffee, some breakfast, sat outside on my little deck chair over the rim of the Badlands drinking my coffee and eating my croissant that I'd cooked for myself.
Speaker 2:That sounds awesome, sounds awesome. So, yeah, I spent the day literally just hanging around the van, outside the van, and this is the other thing as well. People talk about van life. I don't live in my van, josh, I live out of my van. You see, there's a difference. I explore the world around me and the van is just literally where I sleep and cook my food. That's pretty much it. Other than that, I'm outside, and that's again part of our location-based gaming that we love to do as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gets us out for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Badlands wow.
Speaker 2:There's nothing like it in our country.
Speaker 1:It's very unique. You drive up to it If you've never seen it before. You're like what is this? You're like it looks like another planet.
Speaker 2:It's really cool. And just again, a tip out there If you've got a fifth wheel, if you've got a, you know, a van, a trailer, even a tent, and you're anywhere near going past and you can stay the night here for free, do it it thousand percent worth. It is incredible, the, the places you can stay for free here in good old us of a josh, absolutely incredible. So so there you go, josh. That's my bad lands.
Speaker 1:You have your number two mate all ready to go so this location wasn't really on my radar but it was very close to the, to the big ball of paint, because I looked at the map and I was like, wait a minute, what is that town really close by, you know, alexandria? And it was muncie, not muncie, muncie, muncie, indiana, which was literally 15 miles from the ball of paint, and I and it was just like part of me in the back of my mind was like muncie, indiana, there's something in muncie, indiana. So I messaged our good friend rob and I was like muncie, indiana. I was like is there some sort of connection to muncie, indiana and muncie? And he's like yes.
Speaker 1:And then it all came back to me that long ago I don't know how long, craig, maybe eight, ten years ago they had a big muncie event there in muncie, just because the town sounded so similar to muncie, and what muncie indiana is known for is that is the home town of jim davis. So you know who j Davis is. No, jim Davis is the artist and creator of the Orange Cat comic.
Speaker 2:Garfield, oh, the fat cat Garfield. The lazy fat cat Garfield.
Speaker 1:So, craig, I look at the Munzee map because I'm like, okay, there's been a Munzee event here in Munzee long ago. I was like there's probably some sort of muncie action going on. I look on the map and I was like, oh, wait a minute. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I look at the map and there are for those of you that play muncie, you know, there's icons on the map. You see the different kinds of muncies and I look and there are probably a dozen Garfield icons downtown Muncie.
Speaker 2:Yes that's the one. That's the one. I remember that because they're classed as tourism icons and they're extremely rare. Those Garfield ones are only in Muncie. They're not anywhere else, they're just in Muncie.
Speaker 1:So this is the only place in the world you can get a Munzee icon. It's basically just Garfield. It doesn't even look like a pin. It doesn't look round, it doesn't look square. It's Garfield, it's Garfield, yeah. And so the cool thing about it, craig, is that when they did this event several years ago, they put these virtual Munzee Garfields on top of statues statues they're statues of garfield doing different things, that's doing different things all over the town.
Speaker 1:So what I did is like, okay, I'm gonna. Now, this was a long time ago. I was like I don't know what I'm gonna encounter. And sure enough, I go to these pins and there are at some of them, yeah, now, some of them. I was slightly disappointed because some of them had moved.
Speaker 1:I get to location, I'm like I'm literally at the theater downtown. I'm like, hey, I like walking. It's like hey, is there a garfield statue around here? And they're like, no, that moved four years ago. But there were some. So I, of the 12, I think, I found four, like four of them. I I made a youtube video of it because it's so rare. I think garfield is great but it's it's kind of craig. It's like it's munzee lore kind of now, because it kind of reminds me of, like with geocaching, the ape cache. You know the ape? Oh, yes, they partnered with, you know the planet of the apes movie munzee back in the day, partnered with garfield, yeah, in this, in this town. So I had to visit it for the munzee lore and it was uh, it was a nice little afternoon, so that was kind of cool.
Speaker 2:It was, uh, a way our location-based games brought me to a different place, that's right, that's what this is all about and you said that you did actually do a video. Is it a short or is it a take?
Speaker 1:no, I'm gonna. It was a full video, it's gonna be, that's coming, that come out, it's coming down the road.
Speaker 2:I don't know how long.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of Germany videos in the hopper because I just came back from Germany, so we'll see. It might not be until like I don't know January, I don't know.
Speaker 2:But keep an eye out for it. Keep an eye out for it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it was unique, I thought okay, thought okay, this will make kind of a cool munzee video you know, I love putting out munzee videos from time to time, even though I am the geocaching vlogger. So and I actually made a munzee video this weekend too.
Speaker 2:Ha, ha ha speaking of speaking of a geocaching vlogger as well. Uh, question for you is that was there like adventure labs or anything like that around there too for for those geocacher people out there? Or you didn't even open up, don't tell me you didn't open up the app.
Speaker 1:You know well you were too busy filming and I was all I had time for was I mean the? These statues were all over town, so I was just darting all over town I was.
Speaker 1:You know, I was focused, I was like I guess, I'm here to shoot this video and I'm here to find these garfield statues. So I I don't know, but but, craig, there were a lot of munsies. I think I was number one in the world that day because of all the residual Munsies that were left over from all the events over the years.
Speaker 2:And Muncie.
Speaker 1:Indiana, Not Muncie Muncie Muncie Indiana so that was not on my bucket list, but it kind of was serendipitous. I was like, okay, I'm close to the ball of paint, I'm near Muncie, so it was a go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. Well, my second one was literally 10 minutes away from the rim of the Badlands, exactly where I was parked up, and this one was on our. I think it was this year, I think it was. This one actually appeared, josh, and that is Wall Drug, located in Wall, south Dakota. You told me to go to this one. Everyone told me to go to this one, and not just you, I'm talking. Every person told me to go. Everyone on social media told me go to Wall Drug, go to Wall Drug. Go to Wall Drug, josh. I was expecting something like Buc-ee's, you know, like big, and it's not.
Speaker 2:I mean it's been out there for a while it's certainly not modern, oh yeah, no, it's definitely not modern, quintessential, quintessential.
Speaker 1:I can't say the word Quintessential, quintessential, yeah, americana, yes, quirky roadside attraction, exactly.
Speaker 2:And so I thought to myself well, you go to these places, josh, and sometimes they're not all they are hyped up to be in some cases. So I said, okay, I'm going to be real now with the listeners out there. I've got pros, but I've also got cons iconic, quirky, uh, lots of weird photo opportunities in and around there as well. The actual buildings themselves look really cool with made out of all the wood. You know the wood paneling stuff as well. That's really cool as well. So that's, I loved all that sort of stuff. They said that there's free ice water and five cent coffees. I couldn't find it, but apparently it's there somewhere.
Speaker 1:But that craig I believe that's how it got famous because people were like looking for a place to stop, because you know, it's all kind of on the way to the black hills. So they're like this is a stop, get your free ice water and five cent coffee, coffee, coffee here the water, not coffee that you would probably like. It's certainly the american drip kind that disgusts you.
Speaker 2:You like absolutely mud water. But, josh, I thought when I was first walking through as well, I thought you know what? There's a lot of? Just it's a big, big souvenir shop. But then if you go through other areas it's more of a. They've got art galleries in there too, so it shows you the history of Waldrug. You can look in a different art gallery as well and it shows you all, like these old newspaper clippings.
Speaker 2:And you know we're talking about the old country, the old westerns. You know where they're walking around with their chaps and their gunslingers and their you know back in the day, like I'm talking about back in the day, years and years and years ago. They do have, obviously, the restrooms and food and all that sort of stuff as well. It is just off the highway. I'm talking a three-minute drive off the highway. You cannot miss this. You cannot miss the wall drug at all because, josh, there's 1.5 million signs, I know, but there's thousands upon thousands of signs from from the border of Wyoming to the border of uh, of Minnesota.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh Craig. Do you remember the movie space balls? Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's in space balls, it's like one bazillion miles to wall drug. So, Josh, they're the pros that I have in regards to it. I think the cons themselves. I think it was just a little bit too touristy for me. There was a lot of people there, Josh.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's big parking lots but the parking lots were pretty full and a lot of people walking around you know you're shoulder to shoulder. It was a bit too. A bit too much for me in regards to the amount of tourism and the amount of tourists themselves in in. You know, and we're not really. It wasn't even that peak of a season.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's warm, of course go there in winter, but summer's over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. So for me I think that was a bit of a con. Also, apparently, the food quality. I didn't have anything, but apparently the food quality there, as you can understand, isn't really it's quick, it's fast, it's. You know that sort of thing too, and so it's just to me it felt a bit overwhelming as well, like there was a lot going on, whereas for me I compare Waldrug to Bucky's a little bit and I'll say wall drug was the Bucky's in the seventies? Yes, exactly, if Bucky's was in the seventies, that's what wall drug is, and it hasn't updated. It hasn't upgraded, it's still stuck in the seventies.
Speaker 2:So that's, that's, that's my, that's my thing as well. So, uh, and yeah, and maybe I'll tell you now maybe a con is that there's too much advertising, josh too much.
Speaker 1:I think that's what's. I think it's a joke. A lot of that advertising is a joke I think they know, but I I might understand it. We can look this up. These signs are all over the world, they're not just on I-90. It's just like ridiculous, like in Korea or something. As far as I know, they put these Walgrug signs.
Speaker 2:It's a joke and honestly Bucky's kind of you know Bucky's kind of, has done the same thing a little bit, you know, you see really, really far away.
Speaker 1:It's like Bucky is like a thousand miles away.
Speaker 2:And then it says you can hold it like the bathroom, Because it's the best bathrooms, of course.
Speaker 2:Absolutely so. That's another reason why I was at Wall was for Wall Drug too, but I loved how it was actually so quick off the highway, and on the other side of the highway was the rim of the Badlands. I'll tell you, josh, yeah, van life for me. I've been doing this for like almost 18 months now. No, sorry, almost 12 months now, full time in this in Tuesday, 18 months overall. I'm going to say that's the best place I've ever parked up at.
Speaker 1:Really In the US. That's saying a lot. You've parked a lot of places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean better than Cracker Barrel. We'll just say that. But anyway, all right, josh, get there, get to your last one. All right, the third one.
Speaker 1:My last one was a little bit of a surprise, because I drove the Ball of Paint, then I drove the Muncie, indiana, indiana, yeah, and then I was heading to Kentucky, and all my way to Kentucky, on the road Speaking of signs, craig, it said, in so many miles, uranus, indiana. Oh hang on. Indiana, uranus Indiana. I was like there's two.
Speaker 2:Uranus.
Speaker 1:I've been to Uranus Missouri, I didn't know there was a Uranus Indiana. So surely when we did, we did a whole show on this craig we and I visited together. There's a big muncie event there, yeah. And I was like I'm so curious. So I followed the signs and now uranus indiana is in anderson, indiana, and so I pulled off on the exit. It told me to, and then it took me like 10 minutes. It was not on the highway, it was like in town, and when I got up there it was basically it was clear it was owned by the same people, oh, so they had the same brand it was another location.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, it was newer. It was newer, uh, less, uh less, I don't want to say run down, but less kitschy than the one like the one we found. It was like it was everything was, but less kitschy than the one we found. It was like everything was newer. But certainly you walk in the main building and what do they say? I knew I was in the same place. Welcome to Uranus, that's what they say. I said it at the other place. And yeah, same t-shirts. They had the same ice cream shop, same hot dog shop. Get a wiener in Uranus. The fudge as well, fudge, yep. The fudge factory was there, yep, but it was basically Craig. It was basically a mini version. Oh, it was like a condensed mini version of Uranus, missouri.
Speaker 1:So if you're comparing Uranus, Missouri was much more epic than and that was like on Route 66.
Speaker 2:But I'm glad I stopped it was cool absolutely, and it gave you content as well, see yeah, and you remember.
Speaker 1:You remember that when we went to Uranus Missouri we had a Munzee event there and they, the people Uranus Missouri, the people that worked that got irritated that we were there playing munzee, well, I get. I go here and guess what? There's a geocache on the sign. The oh wow, the main sign of the place, clearly that it was placed there by permission, no problem. They had no problem. So there was actually a physical geocache on location because there's no physical cache either in missouri.
Speaker 2:No, there's a virtual. There's a virtual, but not physical. But not physical because they weren't allowed to. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that was a nice surprise. It was, you know, a lot of places there was a dinosaur, there's lots of again kind of everything that's in the other place, but it was like condensed and smaller.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying is….
Speaker 2:What you're saying is Missouri has got a bigger Uranus than what Indiana has.
Speaker 1:Big way bigger Uranus. A lot more room in that Uranus to move around, A lot more room to explore that Uranus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can pull more fudge out of that Uranus than what you can Way more.
Speaker 1:They had a lot more fudge in the other Uranus but I'm glad I visited that Uranus.
Speaker 2:And walking out of this one as well. Do they say thank you for picking Uranus? Walking out of this one as well. Do they say thank you for picking uranus? Yes, of course. Yeah, so that's that's their stock standard. That's their lines.
Speaker 1:That's their lines, yeah they've been clearly trained by the um the uranus experts yes, yes, there are uranus experts out there too.
Speaker 2:So anyway, moving on, because, josh, I am actually proud of you because you actually called it uranus the whole time then instead of uranus. So yeah, I'm proud of you, mate. That's a rare thing these days, all right moving on.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can't wait till you talk about this one, because I have a like a humble brag with this one, but go ahead oh of course you do.
Speaker 2:Of course you do. So this one again. I'm traveling east on the, the interstate through the middle of south dakota, and of course I come across in mitchell, south dakota, the corn palace. This one was mentioned and this is um the, the, the march madness as well it was my nominee.
Speaker 1:It was your nominee. It was your nominee.
Speaker 2:Got beat by probably one of yours as it should, but anyway, um, it was, it did. It should have held its own, because it actually was. I really really enjoyed this place, the corn palace in mitchell. Um, if you've never been there, if you haven't seen anything at all, it is exactly what you hear it to be it is a corn palace. What that means is is that I think it's like a big community center or something like that two, two stories, like two floors as well.
Speaker 1:It's huge.
Speaker 2:It's huge In the middle. You've got the old sort of style I'm going to say there, you know, josh, those in India, the country India, and you've got those Taj Mahal, like the big thing, with this big circle thing on the top, like a Hershey's Kiss on the top. It's got those on it too. Yeah, it looks like a castle, it's, it's amazing, absolutely castle. But the difference is is all on the outside, it's actually real corn and it's all places like an art deco sort of style as well. So, mate, um, absolutely incredible, great photo opportunities in every part as well. But what I love is that they actually change it up every so often as well. They, they totally redo the full art deco.
Speaker 2:Um, how do you know this? You can walk inside for free and it's a full museum on the corn palace. So you go through and you look from the very, very start of this corn palace all the way through, um, uh, you know when I kind of think when it actually started, but when it did start, I'm talking years and years and years ago. Um, yeah, they had the old, uh, the old one to begin with, and then they upgraded every so often, every few years, they upgraded itself.
Speaker 2:Now how they do this upgrade, josh, is that I think they use like 12 to 13 or something, different shades of corn, so you know how you can get like a red corn and a brown corn, you can get black corn, white corn, yellow, the whole lot. So that's how they do the mural and designs Inside itself. Of course you can buy popcorn. Why wouldn't you buy popcorn inside? But what amused me, josh, the most was you walk all the way through each side. After the popcorn area and you go through, it opens up. It's a huge basketball stadium venue, like in the popcorn pal. Yeah, it's got the, it's got the big uh jumbotron in the middle as well, unbelievable, I think.
Speaker 1:the local college like plays basketball there, or certainly the high, the high school plays basketball there. And it's really unique, craig, because it's yes, it's a basketball court, but the seating is almost like a theater.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's really odd. Yes, it really is Almost like a theater to a certain degree, but it is like very, because they were redoing that area when I was there, so they didn't actually have any seats themselves. Redoing that area when I was there, so it didn't actually have any seats, seats themselves, that was all concrete. Um, looked like steps, concrete, huge concrete steps. So I'm not sure, I'm not sure if they had all the seating out when I was there and they were repolishing the concrete um, or they change it to all concrete steps.
Speaker 1:I don't know sure, but yeah, they didn't actually have any seat seats um, when I was there, there were seats, so they might be renovating it. They might be renovating, yeah, question Craig. Yes, every year they do a different theme for the outside.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:When I went there it was like classic rock and roll, so there was like Elvis was made out of corn and one was like Johnny Cash. Do you remember what the theme was this year? They change it out every year. I.
Speaker 2:Ash, do you remember what the theme was? This?
Speaker 1:year. They change it out every year, I don't know exactly what the theme was.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have a look at the photos itself, but tell me, josh, your humble brag you said about.
Speaker 1:My humble brag is that I selected this as a nominee for.
Speaker 2:Roadside Attraction.
Speaker 1:March Madness, and it got beat. I mean we should listen back. I probably got beat by one of your nominees, and it got beat. I mean we should listen back. I probably got beat by one of your nominees. And now my humble brag is that you enjoyed it so much and that if you had known how great it was, you might have fought differently and maybe it would have gone farther in the competition. Possibly, possibly, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'd have to look who it was up against. Yeah, yeah, but one of my favorite things as well is that. Well, two of the favorite things is that, apart from being inside, of course, there's an adventure lab inside as well. Oh, that's cool, and the adventure lab is one of those adventure labs that's very specific, so it's not a multiple choice one where you can just answer it on the fly Nope, nope, nope. You've actually got to find the dedicated year that's on the walls inside the actual museum, and then there's questions related to the actual years of the museum, which is really cool too. So I love that part of it. But what I love too, josh across the road, was the gift shop.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a great gift shop.
Speaker 2:It's a great gift shop, Josh. This is a great the gift shop, Always a gift shop. It's a great gift shop. This is a great, great gift shop Cause you know me, Josh, I love my dad jokes.
Speaker 1:It had to be a lot of corn jokes.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of corn jokes there. We're talking about, you know, things with corny things. We're talking like, and even going to the point where they almost went adult rated, where they go, oh, like you know me, so corny, and all that sort of stuff too. So all that sort of side, oh my gosh, yes.
Speaker 1:What I'm looking at, the I'm looking at the Corn Palace for 2025. I'm surprised you didn't remember the theme this year is Wonders of the World Modern Wonders of the World. Oh, and one of them is is can you see?
Speaker 2:that? Oh, yes, yeah, oh yeah, that was on there. Yes, yeah, so I'm not saying that I took a photo yeah, it's the uh australia opera house, the sydney opera house, so it's wonders of the world.
Speaker 1:This year was the that's right.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing that on the inside, though, they had that part on the inside and then um, and then the the brazil, the the christ on top of the hill or whatever in brazil. Yeah, it's so cool. That's the thing too about the corn palace, craig, is that, like you can visit every year, and every year it's a little different different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's neat, absolutely. Um, they also got josh. This is what you would have loved, this as well and that is is across the road, but next door to the gift shop they've got a dedicated area for selfie area, so they had like a little stand where you can put your phone and do a full selfie mode. At the same time, they've actually got the corn mascot a big corn mascot smiling at you as well, so you can stand with your arm around the corn and and have the corn palace in the background I remember that location, that was.
Speaker 2:That's really cool too.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, yeah, I loved it and I think that's a webcam too, I I think if you can go to the corn palace's website and you can see a webcam, like if they ever brought webcams back, that would be a perfect webcam absolutely.
Speaker 2:Um, and just going back to what I said before, 1892 they started 1892. That's over over 125 years old. That's a lot of corn. That's a. That's a lot of corn like you guys you guys in the us love your corn. You've been growing for years and years and years so but yeah, so that was my number three. Josh was the uh, the corn palace, and I'll say now I don't know what it was against, um, but had I been there I may have had a different view on that on my, my take on it so, but that's the great thing about it.
Speaker 1:You know, we, we we're inspired by our own podcast and I we hope that you too are inspired by our podcast. We hope that you, if you're driving by or making a destination to visit the corn palace or the badlands, certainly got I mean, if you're ever this way through south dakota, you gotta stop at those locations, and you know the ball of paint too. So, yeah, this episode was pretty much like an indiana and and south dakota episode which is just kind of cool, because this is like there's probably not very many podcasts out there.
Speaker 1:They're like okay, today we're focusing on indiana and south dakota.
Speaker 2:There's lots of other different states with different things. But yeah, but here in treasures our town.
Speaker 1:We know that there's treasures everywhere in this great country of ours.
Speaker 2:Exactly, Josh. What I'll do as well is I'm going to post on our patron page all my selfies. I'll find them myself, all my photos and selfies of the Corn Palace. I'll do a few as well at the Badlands, and I'll put it all on our patron page. And if you want to see those, Josh, and if you want to become a patron, how can they do that?
Speaker 1:Josh, they can support us on Patreon. By helping us, you help us keep this podcast going, keep everything free. So consider joining us at patreoncom backslash treasurefortown, and I'll ante up that too. I'll send you, craig, some pictures as well of the ball of paint, of course, as well. And there was something else we've talked about that I wanted. That was something we took this weekend that I can't now. It's Lou, I'm losing it, but anyway it'll be a surprise over there for our patrons.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely All on the patron. So yeah, if you want to really see that more, go over to patreoncom.
Speaker 1:oh, craig the plant guys, the guys we gotta post that picture, okay, so funny as well there we go, there we go.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna interrupt, yeah, we're gonna have plant guys, and plants being corn palace.
Speaker 1:So plant guys and plant castles.
Speaker 2:So there we go. That's really cool. Otherwise, Josh, if people want to reach out to us and give us ideas, chat about what they've heard as well, how can people find us, Josh?
Speaker 1:Yes, we had such good feedback on our Meander or Me and Her podcast last time. So if you'd like to give us your feedback or compliments or complaints although we don't get very many complaints, which is great reach out to us at treasures of our town podcast at gmailcom, or you can follow us on facebook, instagram, youtube or our buzzsprout site. Just search treasures of our town podcast and you'll find us right there exactly right.
Speaker 2:So that's it for our show today.
Speaker 1:Please subscribe, rate and review on your favorite podcasting app and, as Josh May, your travels always lead you to the most unexpected and amazing hidden gems around our country, like Indiana and South Dakota. Who knows where we're going to go next? Find out.
Speaker 2:We don't even know.
Speaker 1:We don't know. See you everybody, bye-bye, bye.
